Kato - New Releases

[Krackel Hopper]

I think was Skip is asking is more about the number than the letter..

 

Yes, the letter is related to the drive wheels.. but what about the number?

 

How does the number relate?  Is there any correlation between the numbers and size?

 

For instance, what's the difference between a D51 and a D61? 

Or moreover, can I assume that a D61 is a bigger loco than the D51 based on the numbers?

[westfalen]

I think the number refers to the order in which the classes were designed. eg; The C57 was the 57th class of six coupled engines and the D51 was the 51st class of 8 coupled. It doesn't have anything to do with size, the C12 is smaller than the C11 and the C56 2-6-0 is smaller than the C55 class 4-6-2.

[Guest Closed Account 1]

I should have made this a separate thread for Steam. This is good conversation.

 

Moderator, please move these these threads into their own topic of discussion.

 

Yes, I am interested in how Japanese Steamers are classified.

 

I get the Whyte notation 0-4-0, etc.

 

It's the way Japanese Steam is categorized.  UIC? Then with UIC, the 0-4-0 is a B for 2 driven axles. A 2-8-2 is a 1-D-1.

[The_Ghan]

Oh,

 

Got it ... then the answer is no.

 

The D6?'s are rebuild of the D5?'s.  Ie: A D62 is a rebuilt D52 and a D60 is a rebuilt D50.  The C60 is a rebuilt C59.

 

Loosely, the larger the LAST DIGIT, the longer the locomotive is likely to be.  Eg: D50 is 17.3m, D51 is 19.7m and D52 is 21.1m.  However, there are exceptions to every rule and the C58 is out of sequence. C56 is 14.3m, C57 is 20.3m, C58 is 18.3m and C59 is 21.4.  The C58 also had less tractive effort than the C57.

 

The class numbers 50-99 are reserved for Locomotives with a top speed exceeding 85km/h.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Cheers

 

The_Ghan

[Fenway Park]

Kato announced at JAM they will release the Imperial EMU E655

[angusmclean]

Steam loco numbering was revised in 1928 with any new loco version taking the next number in that class eg 'B;, 'C', 'D', 'E' and the numbers are purely chronological. The locos with the '2' as a second number were rebuilds after the war with a bogie under the cab to reduce axle weight because of the poor state of the lines and to allow a greater range of use on lighter lines, an exception was the rebuild of C59 to C60  with the bogie added. C62 was a 'new' rebuild using the chassis from a C59 and the boiler and cab from a D52, and C61 being a 'new' rebuild using the chassis of C57 and the boiler and cab of a D51.  An exception to the new general numbering was C51, a Pacific class which was begun in 1921 which received the new numbering retrospectively.  also, six Alco locos received in 1926 had a retrospective C52 allocated.  All locos before 1928 with the previous exceptions, kept their old numbering.  Follow all that

 

Angus

[CaptOblivious]

Kato announced at JAM they will release the Imperial EMU E655

 

Quadruple like!

[foxhsu]

Actually, it's "kind of" Imperial EMU E655. It is the E655, but it's not an Imperial train becuase the Imperial car is missing.............:>

It's a group train without Imperial car.

Imperial is 6 cars set, but this one is 5 cars set. Not sure how will they release the Imperial car in the future.

[Densha]

Maybe they're going to release a separate set with the Imperial car for money making? But actually it doesn't make much sense to release it without it.

[cteno4]

I believe its a license issue (ie kato doesnt have it) with the imperial car, i should have some more info on this soon.

 

jeff

[Densha]

A licence from? The Imperial court?

[cteno4]

I'm not sure the report I got was that they didnt have the license for the imperial car, but not who would control that. it could very well be the imperial court or perhaps a different company that built that car. ill see what i can get out of our member who was just at JAM.

 

jeff

[Densha]

You know, what I find so weird about these things is still why the heck they would need a license for a *stupid* model? I mean, it's a model. If they need permission for a logo I understand, but does that car has special logos as well they could need permission for?

[cteno4]

very common rights issue around the world. the model company is making money off of their design so the owner of the prototype copyright want a cut of the profits. w/o the original thing there would be no model so you can understand they might not want someone making money off their work (even if it is a model) w/o permission. other times it can be issues of control. some always want lots of money as they think models are easy and profitable if the design is already done. others just want it done really good quality and true to form. Licensing/rights issues can be a mess and change w/ companies and orgs with time, never seems to be the same. Ive dealt with them in all sorts of ways on projects and its just a fact of life to deal with and be prepared for things to go any which way when you approach the owner of the rights something.

 

this is a big issue with the painted train models as they need to license the train design as well as the character art.

 

lets see if we can get more info on what the hang up is/was with this before we speculate too far on what/why it happened.

 

sometimes with rights deals you never know why things dont happen. at times we have gotten very odd and outrageous prices/conditions coming back which indicated there was something else going on in the background be we never found out what it was or why we tripped it. even when some rights deals go there there are some odd conditions which they will say you have to follow but they will not explain why.

 

jeff

[Densha]

I totally understand what you mean, I haven't read much about this topic but the overall copyright issue is difficult to handle with. Pictures and whatnot.

Yay for self building!

[cteno4]

ok philip says the other 4 car set with the emperor's car is awaiting a license from JR east, so it sounds like it may happen in the future. so they are doing the first 4 car set as that sometimes runs that way as a joyful train.

 

cheers

 

jeff

[KenS]

Even without the Imperial car, this will be a must-by for me.  Any word on when they'd be doing it (2013, 2014)?

[cteno4]

Philip also said that mr kato said the paint color was tough to get right, which gives me hopes that the lovely pearlescent finish will be there! im really glad they paid attention to the color/finish as thats one of the really cool things about the change.

 

cheers

 

jeff

[andreas]

Double post, because holy cow Batman! What is Kato up to now? The Alpine Glacier Express from the RhB in N-gauge! This is pretty insane, but also extremely awesome. Consider most of the N-gauge trains from Kato running on 9mm track, albeit being run 1,067mm gauge instead of 1,435mm gauge, as a fact; a reproduction of an RhB train, which runs on 1,000mm gauge is then quite acceptable in this regard. I wonder what reactions to this will emerge in the European confines of Modellzugland.

 

The main set will consist of 2 cars and locomotive (Ge4/4 III), whereas a 4-car add-on set will also be produced.

 

Also, this looks like to be the start of a new series by Kato, as there is written "Nゲージで世界の名列車" "Global famous trains in N-gauge"... I think we can expect a bright future here people.

 

http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/n_gauge/2012/08/kato342012-627e.html

 

P.s. also expect a much anticipated Marunouchi Metro 02 Series.

 

Has anyone seen pre-orders for this and/or prices? HS seems not to have it and neither Popondetta (or was I too stupid - again).

 

Thanks

 

Andreas

[Guest Closed Account 1]

I spent the last 15 minutes searching with various combinations on different sites.

 

Cannot even locate that locomotive.

 

Once a stock number pops up then we can reserve it.

dubbed the "World's slowest Express train".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Express

[andreas]

 

 

Cannot even locate that locomotive.

 

 

 

That's the easy part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway_Ge_4/4_III

 

Andreas

[cteno4]

sorry more info, the other 4 car set probably wont have he emperor's car as they were not able to get the license from the imperial household agency for some reason. bummer. but i expect other than maybe a slightly different set of windows and interior and maybe a few markings the car wont look all that much different than cars of the regular full consist. you could get away with calling it the imperial train to folks w/o the emperor's car as it is the train that hauls the emperor's car and the emperor (but i guess technically w/o the emperor's car its not the imperial train then, just a train...)

 

jeff

 

ok philip says the other 4 car set with the emperor's car is awaiting a license from JR east, so it sounds like it may happen in the future. so they are doing the first 4 car set as that sometimes runs that way as a joyful train.

 

cheers

 

jeff

[Davo Dentetsu]

I guess most folks would remember it better as the train that would have such duties normally, so I guess calling it that would be acceptable in a way. :)

[bill937ca]

sorry more info, the other 4 car set probably wont have he emperor's car as they were not able to get the license from the imperial household agency for some reason. bummer. but i expect other than maybe a slightly different set of windows and interior and maybe a few markings the car wont look all that much different than cars of the regular full consist. you could get away with calling it the imperial train to folks w/o the emperor's car as it is the train that hauls the emperor's car and the emperor (but i guess technically w/o the emperor's car its not the imperial train then, just a train...)

 

So are they going to include the escort train in a set?

[Guest Closed Account 1]

That's the easy part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway_Ge_4/4_III

 

Andreas

 

Already saw that one. Its not the RhB 644.