Keihan Ōtsu Lines model trains

[Gordon Werner]

But why is it even there?

 

they just retrofitted Mc units 803 & 804 w/LED headlights and did a bunch of other work.  They run the train for testing between the shops at Ōmijingūmae and Sakamoto which is safer than running on the street to Hamaotsu.  This way they can quickly return it to the yard if there's any trouble

[bill937ca]

700 series shopped car.

 

Video by The Sanremo.

 

Edited April 2, 2017 by bill937ca

[Gordon Werner]

here are some photos of (I presume) 707/708 in the new Green/Lime/White colors
 
https://twitter.com/HK53_G/status/853194413928886273

Edited April 16, 2017 by Densha
Fixed source citation

[Atomsk]

I just got through binge watching the "japanimated" series "Chūnibyō demo Koi ga Shitai!", which features several scenes of what is obviously the Ishiyama Sakamoto line.  One episode features the exterior of a station called "Hishiyama", obviously a play on Ishiyama.  This same scene shows the ticket booth and gates that look almost exactly like the ones at Ōjiyama. 

 

A transition shot shows the intersection at the north side of Hamaōtsu.

 

The trains all have the two-tone green paint scheme, and the times you can see the ends of the train clearly, it looks like a 600 series (no wrap-around windows).

 

A lot of times, authors, artists, and directors will add elements of their home towns, to their work.  For example director Kazuya Tsurumaki put trains from the (now abandoned) Kanbara Railway, from his home town of Gosen, Niigata, in the animated series Fooly Cooly.  I suspect someone involved with this show has roots in the Ōtsu area.

 

Now, as I usually do when I see trains depicted in animation, I need to find a model that closely resembles the train in the show.

[Das Steinkopf]

A couple of weeks back I got the chance to ride again on the Keihan Keishin and I also took the opportunity to ride the whole length of the Ishiyama Sakamoto Line, we stopped at Ishiyama Dera for a while to enjoy the view and then jumped on 701-702 for the trip to Sakamoto and then from there back to Hamaotsu. We then took the train to Kamisakaemachi where I took quite a number of reference photo's for a future layout and after that jumped onto a train bound for Yamashina, given it wasn't peak hour there was less trains running but there was enough variety to be seen, especial 609-610 in the spectacular Hieizan Biwako Panoramic Route wrapping. I will be uploading more photos later when I download them from my camera, for now you can enjoy the ones from my iPhone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2017 by Das Steinkopf

[Gordon Werner]

I just got through binge watching the "japanimated" series "Chūnibyō demo Koi ga Shitai!", which features several scenes of what is obviously the Ishiyama Sakamoto line.  One episode features the exterior of a station called "Hishiyama", obviously a play on Ishiyama.  This same scene shows the ticket booth and gates that look almost exactly like the ones at Ōjiyama. 

 

A transition shot shows the intersection at the north side of Hamaōtsu.

 

The trains all have the two-tone green paint scheme, and the times you can see the ends of the train clearly, it looks like a 600 series (no wrap-around windows).

 

A lot of times, authors, artists, and directors will add elements of their home towns, to their work.  For example director Kazuya Tsurumaki put trains from the (now abandoned) Kanbara Railway, from his home town of Gosen, Niigata, in the animated series Fooly Cooly.  I suspect someone involved with this show has roots in the Ōtsu area.

 

Now, as I usually do when I see trains depicted in animation, I need to find a model that closely resembles the train in the show.

 

yup ... the Ishiyama-Sakamoto line is featured a number of times

 

There is a website, if you were unaware, that tracks these things: http://likeafishinwater.com/category/weekly-review-of-transit-place-and-culture-in-anime/

[Gordon Werner]

So, since my application of the PLATZ Chihayafuru decals on the Tomytec shell worked so well, I did the other one (Patoden / Police Car)

 

Train 615F (615-616)

 

 

I think it turned out well ... still same problems as the Chihayafuru model as the PLATZ kits use the old over-scaled GreenMax kits which means that while the sides are ok (kit is slightly taller) the cab ends need a lot of TLC

 

It helps that the color scheme is essentially black and white tho ...

 

but it's definitely doable w/a little effort.

 

(Chihayafuru & Mother Lake are posted on Page 15 of this thread)

Edited May 3, 2017 by Gordon Werner

[Gordon Werner]

Also ... here is my first pass at the evolta ad-wrapped train ... not totally happy yet ... but the cabs w/all the curved surfaces are a real pain to work with.

 

Note: it looks a hell of a lot better in person ... the macro lens does this model no favors

 

Train 605F (605-606)

 

[cteno4]

Excellent work Gordon! Kudos!

 

Any hints or gotchas doing the big wrapping decals? Did you wrap into the window frames or just cut at the edge and then do the rest onto the window?

 

Jeff

[Gordon Werner]

when dealing with the full-side decals ... Through trial and error I found the best way to handle it is to cut out the windows entirely and then use the extra decals included that are intended to go on the window "glass".  

 

Onall Keihan train cars (well 260 series (w/double doors) thru the 700 series) the windows flanking the doors are flush with the car side.  The rest are inset (an inch (3cm) or so IRL) it's only the inset windows that *need* to be cutout but I don't recommend doing that as the decals end up looking like they are floating -- something I learnt decalling the "Hieizan Biwako Panoramic Route" car (609F)

 

 

though Japanese modelers have run into the same problem judging from photos I've seen. Unfortunately I was never able to get another set of those decals to try a second attempt at that model (and there's still a chance TomyTec will actually release it as it is still in operation)

 

The GM/Platz kits are a bit odd ...

 

Their kits are taller, and wider, but not longer.  This means that the large side decals will fit quite nicely over the doors and windows but will require some extra effort either at the top or bottom (or both) of the decals. Depending on the artwork expect to have to trim (or wrap) the extra decal material.

 

The cab ends tho ... they are trouble.  The marker lights (the ones below the cab window) have cut-outs in the decals ... but they are positioned way too wide for the TomyTec model shell ... This is less a problem with the Police Car artwork as it is just black and easy to paint.  The Chihayafuru artwork tho ... a friend did me a favor and called and reprinted the end decals to scale

 

 Luckily the Chihayafuru & Patoden decals have extra decals for the actual windows where the main artwork intersects and I had the benefit of owning multiple sets of the PLATZ decals to practice with.

 

Still the hardest part is the curves around the cab end especially above the cab window ... and the marker lights (provided the cab ends have artwork like the Chihayafuru one does)

 

 

I would recommend ... if you know anyone who makes decals ... have them scan the Platz ones and reprint them as new decals ... this will give you decals to practice with first.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Gordon Werner

[Gordon Werner]

I really wish I could source a better version of the Chunibyo artwork than what is currently available

 

 

and I know it exists as I've seen photos of TomyTec models wearing a much better version

 

FYI ... if anyone here is interested in the Chunibyo decals, you can get them via Yahoo.jp Auctions ... here's a link through JAUCE (proxy) for them: https://goo.gl/2kWRik

 

the other set listed is for the 100th Anniversary Museum Exhibit Train which was comprised of 2600 Series (mainline) cars

 

http://www.wa98104.us/KERproject/100707n4891.jpg

 

as well as the 10000 series Thomas & Friends transit and some special markings for an 8000 series transit 

Edited May 12, 2017 by cteno4

[cteno4]

Gordon,

 

Thanks for the info that's great. That was my thought exactly to scan and have it as a backup or if no white just laserprint them. Even laserprint them on clear and do some practice runs. I've done a fair bit of decaling over the years, but these wrapping train decals do look really challenging and thus practice seems very, very prudent.

 

Great to see your results and process! Again kudos on these.

 

Thanks

 

Jeff

Edited May 4, 2017 by cteno4

[Gordon Werner]

Attn Keihan fans ...

you know the TomyTec release of this trainset?

and how the "cow catcher" is white and not grey like it should be?

well the white is just paint. strip the paint off and the part is the same gray as the rest of the undercarriage of the cars

 

makes all the difference (after on left, before on the right (obv.))

 

Edited May 12, 2017 by Gordon Werner

[Gordon Werner]

looks like 708 came out to soak her new paint in the sun for a bit

 

https://twitter.com/kito_L14/status/862105076915085312

[katoftw]

Now the white skirt actually makes sense.  Maybe they knew of the colour/livery changes long ago.

[Gordon Werner]

Here's another good shot of 707F wearing her new colors

 

https://twitter.com/kazuyuki9003/status/863271642671177730

[Gordon Werner]

 

[Densha]

Not that bad, but far from as good as the original livery...

[bill937ca]

What happened to the white skirt?

[Gordon Werner]

What happened to the white skirt?

 

was wondering that myself. 

[adrianKeith]

Hi guys! New to N-Scale and model trains in general and I came to this thread courtesy of Das Steinkopf. I'm looking to build a small diorama of the Minami-Shiga train station and was hoping you folks would be able to help me pick the right parts. 

 

 

Minamishiga Station, by Rsa, from Wikimedia Commons 

 

So far, I've found the following which look somewhat correct --

• http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10066265 -  One-sided Flag Stop Platform B-L (Model Train)
• http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10066267 -  One-sided Flag Stop Platform B-R (Model Train)

It shouldn't have windows, from the photo above and what I remember, but I can't seem to find the ones without the windows. Out of curiosity, do they also make scaled versions of the card readers, vending machines, etc? Wasn't able to find them as readily but I may be searching the wrong section.

 

One last thing, Google photos provides some pretty good photos from different angles to really help get a full picture.

 

Thanks for any help/tips! I apologies if this is in the wrong section.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Densha
Corrected photo source attribution

[bill937ca]

 

It shouldn't have windows, from the photo above and what I remember, but I can't seem to find the ones without the windows. Out of curiosity, do they also make scaled versions of the card readers, vending machines, etc? Wasn't able to find them as readily but I may be searching the wrong section.

 

 

 

Tomytec offers vending machines.

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10358189

 

But watch which set you order.  The  083-2 Automatic Vending Machine B2 includes pornographic vending machines.

 

Sankei also offers paper vending machines:

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10138632

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10140872

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10167066

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10167069

 

HS vending machines:  http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/search?typ1_c=104&cat=rail&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=vending+machine

Edited May 18, 2017 by bill937ca

[Densha]

The Kato platforms are way too big in both width and height.

 

The Tomytec suburban platforms are much more suitable for a line like this:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10308196

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10308198

Or the old colour variant:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068702

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068706

 

Greenmax also has rather suitable platforms available:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10182141

 

The Kato platforms are 38mm wide, the Greenmax 30mm and Tomytec 20mm.

 

Kobaru has ticket gates available, but I have yet to find separate card readers.

 

As for vending machines... http://www.1999.co.jp/search?typ1_c=104&cat=rail&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E8%B2%A9%E5%A3%B2%E6%A9%9F

[adrianKeith]

Tomytec offers vending machines.

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10358189

 

But watch which set you order.  The  083-2 Automatic Vending Machine B2 includes pornographic vending machines.

 

Sankei also offers paper vending machines:

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10138632

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10140872

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10167066

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10167069

 

HS vending machines:  http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/search?typ1_c=104&cat=rail&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=vending+machine

 

Neat!! Thanks for the links and the heads up!

 

The Kato platforms are way too big in both width and height.

 

The Tomytec suburban platforms are much more suitable for a line like this:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10308196

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10308198

Or the old colour variant:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068702

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068706

 

Greenmax also has rather suitable platforms available:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10182141

 

The Kato platforms are 38mm wide, the Greenmax 30mm and Tomytec 20mm.

 

Kobaru has ticket gates available, but I have yet to find separate card readers.

 

As for vending machines... http://www.1999.co.jp/search?typ1_c=104&cat=rail&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E8%B2%A9%E5%A3%B2%E6%A9%9F

 

Awesome, thanks for all the info/links. Hoping to order everything within a few weeks and get started.

 

Thanks for feeding my addiction, hahaha!

[Das Steinkopf]

Hello Adrian

 

Ryan aka katoftw is currently disposing of a number of his Keihan Ishiyama Sakamoto Line stock that would be perfect for your layout, he has fitted them with proper pantographs as well as the motorizing units which would save you the hassles of sourcing the parts and doing it yourself, on top of that a number of them are discontinued items which would normally take a bit of time to hunt down.

Edited May 19, 2017 by Das Steinkopf