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Is the JNR Original 2 Tone Vermillion and Biege Livery simply just known as the "JNR Original 2 Tone Livery" or does it have a name?  I mainly see this livery on express trains both EMU and DMU - was it also used for commuter or suburban trains?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_52#/media/File:Kiha52115-oitoline-20070324.jpg

 

 

And for the,  JNR 2 Tone Blue and Biege Livery - is it called the Yokosuka Color or is that referring to a line?  Also, I've noticed that this color combination is used for both commuter and express trains as well for locomotives.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_52#/media/File:Kiha52_125.JPG

 

I was also going to ask about the Shonan Color but there's already a thread on that one.

 

If I were to start over collecting Japanese trains - I would only get trains in these 3 liveries and I would still cover a good range of trains from Shinkansens to Commuter Trains.  I love solid colors and contrasting full window bands.  

 

 

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Is the JNR Original 2 Tone Vermillion and Biege Livery simply just known as the "JNR Original 2 Tone Livery" or does it have a name?  I mainly see this livery on express trains both EMU and DMU - was it also used for commuter or suburban trains?

 

The color on that dmu is not the limited express livery, that would be cream #4 and red #2.  The dmu is in standard dmu colors of shuiro (vermillion) #4 and cream #4.

 

And for the,  JNR 2 Tone Blue and Biege Livery - is it called the Yokosuka Color or is that referring to a line?

 

It is referring to the line where that color scheme first appeared on EMUs.  The Yokosuka line was one of the first lines to introduce emu service.  The term Suka iro is only used for suburban/local emus, in other types it is not.

 

This wiki article has all the color chips:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E9%89%84%E8%89%B2

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SuRoNeFu 25-501

Also, I've noticed that this color combination is used for both commuter and express trains as well for locomotives.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_52#/media/File:Kiha52_125.JPG

For commuter and suburban EMUs - yes, they're called as "Yokosuka Colors" (横須賀色, also called as スカ色), but on locomotives, there are two names (which are solely reserved to DC-only locomotives of JNR):

 

1. Regular Color (一般色) - this livery is primarily carried by most of JNR's "new-performance electric locomotives" (新性能電気機関車) that used on non-top priority passenger and freight trains (especially local passenger trains and mixed freight trains), although EF58 (which is classified as "old electric locomotive" aka 旧型電気機関車) also carried this livery.

2. Limited Express Color (特急色) - in contrast to the above ones, this one is only used by EF60-500, EF65-500, EF65-1000 and EF66-0 (though EF66-0 ones has different pattern, but it is partially included in this category), where those 4 types are assigned to hauling top-priority freight trains and limited express passenger trains (including the Blue Train).

 

The following photos are examples of how the colors being applied to the locomotives:

 

1. Regular Color

 

800px-JRE-EF60-19.JPG

 

2. Limited Express Color

 

800px-EF651052_Shinagawa_20010124.jpg

 

Hope this explains enough for you (^^);

 

Cheers,

 

Arya

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Kanpai Keith

Anyone have any information on when liveries with in use and in what regions.

 

Most interested in the blue/cream and red liveries.

 

Thank you oracles.

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disturbman

I'm supposing @Kanpai Keith is talking about the classic JNR liveries,  but a bit more context or some links and pictures would be welcomed.

Also, this should probably located in prototypes
 

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Kanpai Keith

Sorry should have been more specific. 😳😳😳

 

JNR diesel & electric locos circa 50’s-80’s.

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roadstar_na6

So you‘re meaning stuff like DD54 and ED71 compared to EF65 and the like?

 

I don‘t think there ever was a blue/cream DL in Japan and I can‘t really think of a reason why some ELs would be blue/cream and others would be red 😄 

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disturbman

DC electric locomotives were blue. AC ELs were red.

For more info on the various blue/cream liveries, go up thread. I merged this topic with an older one.

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I don't recall any full size ED61's being painted in AC red.  Perhaps you're thinking of the ED71, which look very similar but are AC locomotives?  Brown was the general EL color during the JNR years before the blue/red era, and some later units were painted in brown as throwback/heritage units.  I'd be very interested to see if any full size DC only units were painted this color.

 

I notice the red ED61 from tomix is only found in a starter set and with a track cleaning car, so I wonder if maybe it's less than prototypical.  I'm certainly not an expert, but I have yet to see any photos of the prototype in red.

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railsquid
1 hour ago, Kiha66 said:

I notice the red ED61 from tomix is only found in a starter set and with a track cleaning car, so I wonder if maybe it's less than prototypical.  I'm certainly not an expert, but I have yet to see any photos of the prototype in red.

 

Yup, it's a Tomix freelance livery for whatever reasons. The ED61s came in brown, blue and after conversion to ED62 one was in JRF livery for a short time.

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Kanpai Keith

Thanks for the input guys, it’s a great help, makes sense as to why I can’t find any info on red ED61’s.

 

Now I’m not at work I can expand a little.  It’s going to be a couple about 2 years before we retire and settle into our forever home, so time and space are an issue for a while.  I’m looking at building a very compact layout using Tomix R140/177 curves, something around 48”x18” that can be stored in the base of our ottoman bed but is easy to get out and transport.  It will also be a great way to start building and modelling my first proper layout.

 

My main interest longer term is JNR diesel and electric.  So with that in mind I want to invest in stock that will look ok running on tight radius curves i.e. short locos such as ED61/62 which looks great value bundled in the starter pack, in red livery.  So whilst not being prototypical it could be usable and might be an interesting project to repaint?  Having said that the red would not look out of place running with the two Tomix railbuses I have and DD16 I have my eye on.  Plus I’m also going to be “creative” with some coaches so they won’t be prototypical either.

 

Can anyone recommend other compact locos to me or coaches?

 

 

 

 

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disturbman

On these kind of radiuses? Shorties would look better.

 

Otherwise, Tomix ED75 is rated for mini-curves. It’s also very compact. Check Tomytec locomotives, the are very compact. MA Chichibu Deki 200 could also be interesting.

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Kanpai Keith
3 hours ago, disturbman said:

On these kind of radiuses? Shorties would look better.

 

Otherwise, Tomix ED75 is rated for mini-curves. It’s also very compact. Check Tomytec locomotives, the are very compact. MA Chichibu Deki 200 could also be interesting.

I looked at Deki’s but appear thin on the ground and pricey 

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roadstar_na6

Those are some really small radii, not sure if you‘d be happy with how trains look running on them. I‘d try to make at least an outer loop work with 243mm because then you can run (almost) everything you‘d want 🙂

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