Bernard Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 What Engine goes with these passenger cars? http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10009689 Don't ask.....remember my thread on "Impulse Buys". :icon_silent: Link to comment
bill937ca Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 According to this web site. http://www.geocities.jp/akanouda/PC/14kei.htm Circa 1983: EF58 48 Circa 1984 EF65 1128 Saroncar Naniwa: DD51 or C57 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Saroncar_naniwa More photos: http://www.railway-enjoy.net/topics/2007/06/post-173.html http://www.railway-enjoy.net/topics/2008/12/post-117.html Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I think you can use any engine you like, at least as long as it's a realistic engine (so not a DE10 or something like that :) ). There weren't special liveries made for this train, but it ran mostly in the Kansai area according to the Tomix catalogue. Link to comment
Bernard Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 Bill - Thanks for the links! So according to the links I could use a EF58, EF65, DD51 or C57 (I have this steam engine but very had to install a decoder.) But as Toni said I could use pretty much anything. I do have a Tomix ED76, would that work in the configuration? Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 But as Toni said I could use pretty much anything. I do have a Tomix ED76, would that work in the configuration? Well, if you pretend the Saloncar Naniwa on a trip through Kyuusyuu or Hokkaidou this would be most likely, but then an EF81 would be more realistic, but still a bit strange... EDIT: oh wait. Not so strange: http://www.railway-enjoy.net/topics/assets_c/2009/06/081231.saloncar-naniwa.01-thumb-400x300-404.jpg IMO a 'Rainbow' Livery or a brown 'Butou No.2' EF65 would fit best. Maybe you can even try that butt-ugly EF65-123 'You-You Salon Okayama' Livery, but that wouldn't be fit for any train... : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/JRWest_EL_EF65123.jpg The Euroliners are JR Central's, so that wouldn't be fit either. The Saloncar Naniwa is namely a JR West operated train (as of 1987). Link to comment
Guest ___ Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, if it were me, I'd slap a C62 on there just because I could Link to comment
Bernard Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, if it were me, I'd slap a C62 on there just because I could I do like Bill's photo of the Steam engine attached with the cars. I see the C62 is also made by MicroAce I wonder if it's DCC friendly? Link to comment
Claude_Dreyfus Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Ah, that's what I have been doing wrong for all these years! The Naniwa set was the first Japanese train I obtained. In my extreme ignorance I bought a Tomix EF81 in Twilight green and yellow livery to haul it! It is a very nice train, and in my defence think the green and yellow on the locomotive matches the carriages very nicely. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, if it were me, I'd slap a C62 on there just because I could I do like Bill's photo of the Steam engine attached with the cars. I see the C62 is also made by MicroAce I wonder if it's DCC friendly? None of them are, but they sure look good =) Link to comment
Bernard Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, if it were me, I'd slap a C62 on there just because I could I do like Bill's photo of the Steam engine attached with the cars. I see the C62 is also made by MicroAce I wonder if it's DCC friendly? None of them are, but they sure look good =) Marti - Off hand do you know if the Tomix ED76 is decoder friendly? My first impulse is no it isn't. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 None of the Tomix ones are "DCC Friendly", as in, you can't just plug in a decoder and be done with it. Most of the square-ish locomotives, such as the ED76, have the entire shell filled with the frame. This is great, because it adds extra weight. But of course, there's usually very little room for a decoder. The lighting boards will also need to be adjusted most likely, and of course you have to problem with soldering wires to the frame for the rail pickup contacts on the decoder. It's not impossible of course, but I wouldn't call it "DCC Friendly" =) Link to comment
Bernard Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 It's not impossible of course, but I wouldn't call it "DCC Friendly" =) For lack of a better term how about "DCC Impartial". (Which really means, You might be able to do it but is it really worth all that effort? ) Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, if your entire layout is DCC operated, it's going to be worth the effort of course, otherwise you can't really use the locomotive. That said, after I get settled in back in the Netherlands, I might be able to help people out with decoder installs and such, as long as they'll agree I can't take full responsibility and give like 1 year warranty on installs ;) Link to comment
CaptOblivious Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Almost done with my Tomix EF81 DCC installation; it's doable but requires a steady hand with the Dremel, and a lot of patience :D http://akihabara.artificial-science.org/2009/05/tomix-ef81-dcc-pt-1-disassembly-and-frame-milling/ Link to comment
Bernard Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Almost done with my Tomix EF81 DCC installation; it's doable but requires a steady hand with the Dremel, and a lot of patience :D http://akihabara.artificial-science.org/2009/05/tomix-ef81-dcc-pt-1-disassembly-and-frame-milling/ Don - As always a nice explanation of installing a decoder in a EF81. It is very similar to the ED76 but there might even be less room where one light board will be replaced. I think I'm going to wait till you finish your install to see how it goes. Please keep me posted. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I managed to install a decoder into an EF65 and EF510 without milling the frame at all. I cut out a piece of plastic from the shell, right underneath the little grey/silver "boxes" on the roof. (Pretty sure there's an actual term for those, but I haven't a clue whether they are airco boxes or just general machinery =)) Link to comment
Claude_Dreyfus Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Further to my earlier post, I've managed to dig out the Naniwa set. As I said, I think the Twilight EF81 suits this set quite well... Link to comment
disturbman Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 They do indeed go very well together. Link to comment
Bernard Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 Further to my earlier post, I've managed to dig out the Naniwa set. As I said, I think the Twilight EF81 suits this set quite well... Claude - That does go together nicely. I have an ED76 by Tomix that doesn't go well with the set. Why? Because I need to convert it to DCC and there is very little room for a decoder. Is the EF81 by Kato? Link to comment
Claude_Dreyfus Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Further to my earlier post, I've managed to dig out the Naniwa set. As I said, I think the Twilight EF81 suits this set quite well... Claude - That does go together nicely. I have an ED76 by Tomix that doesn't go well with the set. Why? Because I need to convert it to DCC and there is very little room for a decoder. Is the EF81 by Kato? No, this is the Tomix version. I'm not sure if you need to add a chip to at least the final carriage due to the tail lights...I'm afraid I am not too well up on DCC and how this works... Link to comment
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