katoftw Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 My perception is that these facilities are offered more in the budget/business hotel range of hotels. More expensive places will offer only pick-up laundry services at a pretty penny. Pay 35,000 yen a night and have no self serve laundry. Pay 15,000 yen a night and have a self serve laundry. I pick the second option. Link to comment
cteno4 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Same thing with Internet access, higher priced hotels usually charge large amounts for Internet access! Jeff Link to comment
mbloes Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 And slightly related (and slightly depressing) . . . The Chinese Descend on Japan's Property Market, Pushing Prices Up by Kathleen ChuKatsuyo Kuwako July 2, 2015 — 2:00 PM PDTUpdated on July 2, 2015 — 10:38 PM PDT The trend has already hit Sydney, Vancouver and the U.S. Now it’s happening in Japan: busloads of real estate buyers from China coming in, buying up homes and pushing prices higher. Realty agencies in Beijing are organizing twice-monthly tours to Tokyo and Osaka, where 40 Chinese at a time come for three-day property-shopping trips, seeking safe places to invest their cash abroad. They’re being prompted by the yen’s decline to 22-year lows and excitement over the 2020 Tokyo Olympics driving up prices, as they did in Beijing in 2008. Property tours will soon start from Shanghai too. Partly as a result of nascent Chinese buying, Tokyo apartment prices have reached the highest levels since the early 1990s, up 11 percent over two years, according to the Real Estate Economic Institute Co. “The demand is like water exploding up from a well,” said Zhou Yinan, an Osaka-based agent at Chinese brokerage SouFun Holdings Ltd., who said his mainland buyers are about 20 percent more numerous than at this time last year. “The Chinese buyers had mainly been from Taiwan until last year, but that trend reversed since October as the yen weakened against the yuan.” Thousands more mainland Chinese are coming on their own, hitting real estate agencies in Tokyo’s Ikebukuro Chinatown district. Classified advertisements including properties for sale are piled up in free Chinese newspapers outside a Chinese supermarket that sells frozen dumplings and spicy sauces. Paying Cash “There are so many Chinese buyers recently,” said Song Zhiyan, a broker at BestOne Co.realty in Ikebukuro, who uses the messaging application WeChat to reach thousands of potential customers in China, who can then fly to town to complete purchases. “I only work with clients who can pay cash. Why waste everyone’s time?” She tells them to hurry: Properties are gone so fast that those who try to negotiate the price find them already sold. Her transaction volume exclusively for mainlanders buying in Tokyo has tripled over the past six months, Song said. Demand is so strong that some developers have put a quota on the number of new apartments sold to foreigners, said Kenny Ho, Tokyo-based managing director at Sinyi Realty Inc., a Taiwanese brokerage with outlets in Japan. Some developers won’t sell more than 20 percent of total units to foreigners, he said, declining to name the developers. “Japan has its own way of doing things,” he said. “Some people feel that if there are too many foreigners, that may affect the quality of the living environment.” New Millionaires Japan’s sluggish economy caused price gains in Tokyo to trail those in other urban centers like New York, London and Hong Kong since the 2008 global credit crisis. Buying from China, which created about a million new millionaires last year according to the Boston Consulting Group, has the potential to quickly change the dynamics of local property markets. In the U.S., buyers from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan spent $28.6 billion on homes in the 12 months through March, becoming the largest group of foreign homebuyers for the first time, according to an annual report by the National Association of Realtors. Chinese already buy almost a quarter of new homes in Sydney, and their outlay will more than double to A$60 billion ($46 billion) in the six years to 2020, Credit Suisse Group AG estimates. Higher Yields In Japan, sales to Chinese and Taiwan buyers jumped 70 percent in the first three months of the year from the year-earlier period, or 11.1 billion yen ($90.8 million) at Sinyi Realty. For every 100 new apartments sold, about 10 to 15 are to foreigners from Asia, according to Sinyi. “I wouldn’t find a deal like this in China,” said Lin Huan, a 35-year programmer from China’s northeast Liaoning province, who with help from her parents bought a three-bedroom flat in the Shinbashi area of Tokyo for investment, paying the equivalent of $203,000. After recently relocating to Tokyo to work for an technology company, she noticed the weaker yen was making properties cheaper. She expects to make a 5 percent return on the rent annually, whereas property in Beijing yields just 2 percent. Chinese buyers are typically purchasing in the 1 million to 2 million yuan ($161,000-$322,000) bracket, a range “tolerable to many Chinese,” said Gui Liangjing, SouFun’s international sales director in Beijing. ‘Seriously Unaffordable’ It’s not as tolerable to Japanese. Prices in Tokyo have become “seriously unaffordable,” the annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey shows. The percentage of Japanese in the seven biggest cities who wanted to buy a home dropped to 15.4 percent in December, the lowest level since Recruit Sumai Co. started surveying two years ago. Even though it rose to 18 percent in March, those who plan to “take action” by looking or buying declined, the survey showed. Still, prices are lower than in comparable global cities. The average price of a three-bedroom apartment in Tokyo’s 23 wards and surrounding prefectures was 53.1 million yen, or $434,680, in April, according to the Real Estate Economic Institute. It’s HK$8.4 million ($1.1 million) for a 600-square-foot apartment on Hong Kong Island, according to calculations based on government records, and $554,200 for homes in New York, according to Zillow Inc. Regular Salarymen “Prices have risen while incomes and rents remain the same,” said Tomohiko Taniyama, a senior researcher at Nomura Research Institute Ltd. “No regular salaryman will find apartments cheap in Tokyo.” While the home price-to-income ratio -- the cost of a home relative to a buyer’s average annual income -- rose to more than 10 times in Tokyo last year, according to according to property appraisal company Tokyo Kantei Co., it’s still below the 18 times it reached during the bubble era in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Homes are unlikely to become more affordable, with the yen’s 41 percent decline over two-and-a-half years and investment yields higher than in some major cities abroad propelling foreigners to buy. While Japan remains small by total transaction value compared with the U.S., Canada and Australia, it’s now “comparable” to those markets in terms of the number of clients seeking deals, said Gui of SouFun realty. “Properties in Tokyo are cheap and the returns are relatively high,” said Nomura’s Taniyama. “The quality of buildings is high while investment opportunities are abundant, unlike Singapore or Hong Kong where the number of available properties is limited. In that sense, Tokyo is one of the best destinations for investment.” Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I didn't think foreigners could purchase property due to Japan outsider laws. Link to comment
kvp Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 So this is why they are building all those foregin only highrises in place of Shinagawa yard and the Shibuya station aera, not to mention the islands next to Odaiba. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Foreigner-only high rises- Huh? never heard the thing. Typically, a high rise is built, and individual units are sold to individuals or investors, foreign or domestic. Anyway, let them buy- urban real estate is a commodity, and it can change hands as the economic winds shift. What I worry about is foreign investors buying water rights in rural areas, as water is one of the resources that Japan has plenty of, and it's clean unlike the stuff across the pond. Edited July 8, 2015 by bikkuri bahn 1 Link to comment
railsquid Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) I didn't think foreigners could purchase property due to Japan outsider laws. railsquid checks that the name on his (non-Japanese) passport matches the name on the property deeds to his house land on which a transient residential structure stands Edited July 8, 2015 by railsquid Link to comment
mbloes Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I didn't think foreigners could purchase property due to Japan outsider laws. Many places you cannot but Japan is not one of them. Singapore, the Philippines, Viet Nam, etc., etc. are some that come to mind. From what I gather, the idea is that "they" don't want dirty foreigners like us to own the land. So in Singapore, for example, I can buy a condo only if there are more than 20 units in the project (my understanding). In the Phil's, you cannot have 50% or greater interest. And on and on. Link to comment
Guest ___ Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I've given up on hotels and have moved on to AirBNB. We'll see if this was the best thing since sliced bread and bentos on the shinkansen, or a living nighmarish hell of a decision in a few months. Likely will be somewhere in between. Foreigner-only high rises- Huh? never heard the thing. Typically, a high rise is built, and individual units are sold to individuals or investors, foreign or domestic. Anyway, let them buy- urban real estate is a commodity, and it can change hands as the economic winds shift. What I worry about is foreign investors buying water rights in rural areas, as water is one of the resources that Japan has plenty of, and it's clean unlike the stuff across the pond. I actually found two of them, both in Kanagawa and Kawasaki, almost signed a lease on one of them last month but held off for a better place I found slightly cheaper in Ueno which was closer to the shrines I want to spend time at. Pay 35,000 yen a night and have no self serve laundry. Pay 15,000 yen a night and have a self serve laundry. I pick the second option. I've never paid more than ¥4500 a night for a hotel in the past five trips to Japan. All but Sapporo I stayed less than five minutes from the station. I didn't think foreigners could purchase property due to Japan outsider laws. Why not, it doesn't seem to stop the Chinese from doing it. Most of my J-friends won't stop bitching about the Chinese influx. A decade ago it was the S. Koreans, now it's the Chinese, next will be... IDK,.. Russians. I already hear there's a god Russian sushi place in Ikebukuro :bs: Link to comment
Jensen Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rich people everywhere is buying every land they find! Its the same everywhere London, New York and Paris etc. People in China always find some loop hole in buying stuff, they do that in London, Paris and Hong Kong. I have to say that even in Singapore China investors have some way of investing in properties over there! I've never paid more than ¥4500 a night for a hotel in the past five trips to Japan. All but Sapporo I stayed less than five minutes from the station. That is a real bargain! Good thing in Japan that there is many hotel with single room. Pay 35,000 yen a night and have no self serve laundry. Pay 15,000 yen a night and have a self serve laundry. I pick the second option. I totally agree with you here! Some people who can afford 35,000 yen a night would mind paying for laundry! That said I haven't used any laundry before. Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I've never paid more than ¥4500 a night for a hotel in the past five trips to Japan. All but Sapporo I stayed less than five minutes from the station. I'm not a lone male traveler, so have to pay for more space. Link to comment
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