JR West Kiha47/48 express revival colour

[Densha]

http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2013/07/23/225/index.html

Which isn't a correct revival colour so far I know.

[Sacto1985]

I'm not even sure if this is even authentic, either. I've never seen any KiHa 40/47's during the JNR era painted like this. However, there was a KiHa 40 painted in the same colors and was seen at Okamoto Station (Tochigi) back in 2011:

 

 

Note this is quite different that the proposed KiHa 40/47 color scheme shown in the article:

 

Edited August 2, 2013 by Sacto1985

[Densha]

The one I linked is intended to mimic the colours of the Kiha 58, that presumable were used in the past on the line this one will be used.

[ToniBabelony]

EYEEGGGGHHHHHHH 

 

http://railf.jp/news/2013/09/01/164000.html

[Densha]

This doesn't look very good indeed, the paint scheme fits the Kiha58 but not really the Kiha40 series. They should have at least made the red stripe around the front windows go around the corner and over the side cab windows.

[Sacto1985]

Ah, er--no. Looks like a cheap imitation of the color scheme used on the old JNR limited express trains. I like it when applied properly like it was on the JNR 381 Series EMU:

 

[miyakoji]

Guys, this is not that bad. Sure, it could have been more accurate, but have a look at this video by kazu9521:

 

 

Looks like they had a bit of a photo exhibition at Miyoshi Station. Check out the photos shown at :38 and :48. 8 cars! I've always wondered why some of those rural stations have such long platforms.

[ToniBabelony]

Guys, this is not that bad. Sure, it could have been more accurate, but have a look at this video by kazu9521:

 

Those are shots of KIHA 58/28s. The KIHA 40 never wore the JNR DMU Express livery... Hence the reactions of disgust and disbelief. It's an extremely unbalanced livery for the KIHA 40, plus the KIHA 40 was designed as a local service DMU and not Express.

 

I've always wondered why some of those rural stations have such long platforms. 

 

Back when local trains were long and back when local freight existed, platforms needed to be long. Just picture the length of the platforms on, let's say, the Tōhoku main line where now only 3rd sector 2-car EMU operate. ;)

[Densha]

I think the large windows of the Kiha40 make it look a bit weird too. Also, look at the sign "急行" which means "Express", I don't think the Kiha40 usually has that option in the destination sign.

[Sacto1985]

I think the large windows of the Kiha40 make it look a bit weird too. Also, look at the sign "急行" which means "Express", I don't think the Kiha40 usually has that option in the destination sign.

 

I believe that KiHa 40 Series DMU's running on the JR West Geibi Line are mostly express trains that stop at a lot fewer stations along the way. Trains that stop at every station use the KiHa 120 DMU instead.

 

By the way, here's a picture of a KiHa 58 properly done in this livery:

 

 

Note how it actually looks good on this DMU trainset.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Sacto1985

[Densha]

I believe that KiHa 40 Series DMU's running on the JR West Geibi Line are mostly express trains that stop at a lot fewer stations along the way. Trains that stop at every station use the KiHa 120 DMU instead.

Really? That's interesting to know. I've never heard of Kiha40's doing express services. I thought Japanese railways were quite strict on using stock for locals only for locals, express trains only for express services, etc. But actually JR Shikoku also does random stuff like using express trains in local services.

[keitaro]

i think it`s great another kiha to add to my collection on day hopefully.

[marknewton]

I'm with Dave, I think it looks rather good. It shows that JR West are willing to acknowledge their heritage.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark.

[bikkuri bahn]

Kiha 40/47/48 have been used on express services in the past, especially with the retirement of dedicated express rolling stock like the kiha 58 type. The most recent example is the JR-W express service "Tsuyama", which ran from 1997-2009 between Okayama and Tsuyama.  With the ending of that service, all daytime express services ended on JR lines nationwide.  Some former express services were re-purposed as kaisoku services, which of course require no supplement.  This is the case with the Geibi Line, which runs kaisoku "Miyoshi Liner" services.

[Sacto1985]

This is the case with the Geibi Line, which runs kaisoku "Miyoshi Liner" services.

 

Then how come the train shown in the video posted here used the kyuko (急行) sign, which are express services that require a supplemental fee?

[bikkuri bahn]

Then how come the train shown in the video posted here used the kyuko (急行) sign, which are express services that require a supplemental fee?

It's a summer-season only train that runs on certain weekend Saturdays or Sundays (in other words, a rinji ressha).  It's a tie-in effort with the 2013 Hiroshima Prefecture Summer Destination Campaign.  It's an all-reserved seating service, and you have to pay the express surcharge.

 

JR West press release:

http://www.westjr.co.jp/press/article/2013/07/page_4157.html

[Sacto1985]

So, this special train is really being run as a limited express train--including the limited express supplemental fee--and it's only being run on weekends.

 

Of course, YouTube user nimo5--who lives in this area--just posted a video of the train arriving and leaving JR West Miyoshi Station:

 

 

It appears JR West used the KiHa 48's because there are no KiHa 58's around anymore.

[bikkuri bahn]

So, this special train is really being run as a limited express train--including the limited express supplemental fee-

Rather, an express train, with an express surcharge (+530 yen up to 50km, +730 yen up 100km, etc.) and the reserved seat charge (typically 510 yen).

[bronzeonion]

Personally I think it looks good.

 

What about the 185 series in Shonan and the old express maroon and cream livery?

[ToniBabelony]

What about the 185 series in Shonan and the old express maroon and cream livery?

 

The 185 in these fictional 'revival' liveries actually looks pretty good, though strange. Design-wise it looks balanced enough to have been realistic liveries, but they were too outdated at the time the 185 was put into service. The funny thing about the 185 Series is that the classic JNR express livery was actually a serious option for this train at the period of its design.

[Sacto1985]

The 185 in these fictional 'revival' liveries actually looks pretty good, though strange. Design-wise it looks balanced enough to have been realistic liveries, but they were too outdated at the time the 185 was put into service. The funny thing about the 185 Series is that the classic JNR express livery was actually a serious option for this train at the period of its design.

 

I wonder why JR East hasn't thought about painting an E233-3000 series EMU trainset--including the SaRo E232-3000 bi-level Green Car--into full Shōnan livery. Now THAT would guarantee every railfan in Japan will be photographing the trainset between Tokyo and Atami.

 

But getting back on topic, I think the problem with the Chidori livery on the KiHa 48 is the fact it doesn't look exactly like the way it was applied to the now-retired KiHa 58. Note that the light red stripe doesn't wrap all the way around the train.