bikkuri bahn Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Tobu Railway runs the weekend winter season-only "Snow Pal 25:55" all reserved seat limited express between Asakusa (dep. 23:55) and Aizukogen Ozeguchi Station (arr. 05:33) in Fukushima Pref. for the benefit of skiers. It's a one-way only (down) service. The return is an ecs move (回送). departing Asakusa: Arriving Kasukabe. This is one of three intermediate station stops, the others being Kita-Senju and Shin-Koshigaya. The return empty coaching stock move (somewhere in Tochigi?): Tobu website info regarding this train: http://www.tobu.co.jp/snowpal/ *interestingly, tickets/reservations can only be purchased through Tobu Travel Agency offices, by internet, or by phone. They cannot be purchased at regular train station ticket windows/TVMs. Edited February 15, 2013 by bikkuri bahn 2 Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Interesting! Tobu might be the only firm with a network large enough, with interesting destinations to boost, to run an overnight service. The only company other than Tobu I might think of may be Kintetsu between Nagoya and Osaka (around 180km) to run an overnight express service as the Urban Liner. I guess they did so in the past (I'm not an expert on night trains, especially not in west of Nagoya), but I guess they can't be bothered on this rather short run. 1 Link to comment
Densha Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I only learned of this train type this week, and now a topic is posted about it being used for night services. Interesting indeed. I think the front display says "Snow Pal". Link to comment
Sacto1985 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Not riding this train if the seats don't recline substantially so I can get some ZZZ's along the way.... Link to comment
westfalen Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 As the normal run only takes about three hours, with three or four changes of train enroute, the overnight train must run to a much slower schedule or park somewhere for a few hours to let the passengers get some sleep. Link to comment
miyakoji Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Here's the timetable from the page that Bikkuri linked: 23:55 Asakusa (depart) 0:10 Kita-Senju (depart) 0:25 Shin-Koshigaya (depart) 0:40 Kasukabe (depart) 5:33 Aizukogen Ozeguchi (arrive) 6:10 Aizukogen Ozeguchi (depart) Not a great comparison, but this is a rapid for Nikko: 6:20 AM Asakusa 6:32 AM Kita-Senju (depart) 6:54 AM Kasukabe (depart) 7:00 AM Tōbu Dōbutsu Kōen (depart) So using the Asakusa to Kasukabe section, the overnight train's stats are: Duration is 45.0 minutes. Distance is 35.3 kilometres, 21.94 miles. Average speed is 47.07 km/h, 29.25 mph. And the rapid's are: Duration is 34.0 minutes. Distance is 35.3 kilometres, 21.94 miles. Average speed is 62.29 km/h, 38.71 mph. Edited February 16, 2013 by miyakoji Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well, it's not the speed between Asakusa and Kasukabe that surprises me, but the speed between Kasukabe and Aizukogen Ozeguchi. Normally, it takes in between 2:30 to 3 hours to get there (depending on your train connections, since you need to change at least once), but the Snow Pal seems to take a staggering 5 hours for this stretch. Kasukabe to Aizukogen Ozeguchi is roughly 138km, which rounds up to an average traveling speed of 46km/h to 60km/h on regular trains (including a transfer at Shimoimachi). The Snow Pal does this (without a transfer though) at a boring 27.6km/h... I can't imagine this being a comfortable ride where you can get enough shuteye, but it's probably worth the effort for die-hard skiing fans. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Night trains often have their schedules formulated so as to arrive at the destination at a reasonable time in the morning. This may either be achieved by slow running, or extended stops at stations. Nobody wants to arrive at Aizukogen at 3:30am in the winter, I reckon. Link to comment
ianlaw Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The trains seems rather empty... is everybody sleeping on the floor? Link to comment
westfalen Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Maybe they are using common sense and sleeping at home then leaving early the next morning instead of spending a brief night on a train not designed for sleeping just to get a couple of extra hours on the slopes. Link to comment
Densha Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 For people having to travel further than the last stop it doesn't make sense to arrive at 3:30am either because there won't be any connection to anywhere, I presume. I would also think there should be a passenger shelter somewhere in the station for the cold. Link to comment
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