bill937ca Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Do you believe this? Roof riders with 1500V overhead. It seems to be Jakarta. 3 Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 For some reason it seems the roof riding is only done on the non-Japanese stock. Perhaps one of the conditions of donation is not permitting this sort of behavior? Or perhaps it's just the lower profile of the stock keeps the head farther from the wire. Anyway, a stark reminder of what effect poverty has on people's conception (or lack) of personal safety. Link to comment
miyakoji Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I wonder how many Tokyu and Metro personnel have seen these, and what they think. I'm not at all into faces-of-death type stuff, I prefer not to look! Link to comment
Nick_Burman Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 For some reason it seems the roof riding is only done on the non-Japanese stock. Perhaps one of the conditions of donation is not permitting this sort of behavior? Or perhaps it's just the lower profile of the stock keeps the head farther from the wire. Anyway, a stark reminder of what effect poverty has on people's conception (or lack) of personal safety. This happens possibly because ex-Japanese stock is a) air-conditioned; b) air-conditioners on roof make riding there uncomfortable; and c) must be fitted with doors interlocked to the braking system, which means that the train can't leave if all the doors aren't closed. Cheers NB Link to comment
Nozomi4ever Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 There 's nothing to yikes about. Those ex-Japanese trains are used on the premium services on the Jakarta network and only stops at premium stations(Or major stations) not the local services lol. So nobody will ride on the roof anymore as those who tend to ride on the roof are normally villagers who can't afford a ride on the train. Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 In September my girlfriend leaves for Indonesia for a month, so I'll ask her if she can take a few pictures of the KRL Jabotabek trains. Especially the ex-JR 203 series and ex-Eidan 7000 Series. For now: http://www.2427junction.com/idnjabotabekkrl.html Link to comment
The_Ghan Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I'm curious to learn the process surrounding the ex-Japanese rolling stock going to Indonesia. Does the Indonesian government purchase directly from JR, or does the Japanese government buy from JR and send to Indonesia as part of an aid program? Or is it something completely different? Cheers The_Ghan Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 With regards to the KRL Jabotabek system in Indonesia, the system has been developed with ODA via Japan's JICA aid agency- you can see the Japanese influence not only in the rolling stock, but in the infrastructure, such as catenary. Apparently shipping cost to Indonesia for second hand rolling stock is paid for using ODA funds. It is actually cheaper for Japanese railways to donate rolling stock than to scrap them in Japan, so there is a strong motivation to dispose of surplus rolling stock this way. Also, Japanese rolling stock has a very good reputation in Indonesia, as it stands up well to the hot and humid conditions of that area, in constrast to European rolling stock, which is plagued with breakdowns. Link to comment
Bernard Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 When I get off my train and climb the steps to the street, I get to see the roof of the trains and there are warnings all over of where train personal cannot step on the roof.....You have to wonder if they have to re-enforce the ceilings of these trains. Link to comment
The_Ghan Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thanks Bikkuri, I thought it would be something like that. Cheers The_Ghan Link to comment
keitaro Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 wow i'm happy for japan to donate a some trains to AUS we are greatly in need HAHAHA. Maybe next time Naoto Kan comes to NSW we should let him ride our trains to encourage this HAH! Link to comment
linkey Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 wow i'm happy for japan to donate a some trains to AUS we are greatly in need HAHAHA. Maybe next time Naoto Kan comes to NSW we should let him ride our trains to encourage this HAH! I would have to agree on that as well as Naoto Kan come to Victoria, as Victoria is in short supply of rolling stock too. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 next time Naoto Kan comes to NSW as Naoto Kan come to Victoria Could you keep him there, please? The Japanese people will thank you Link to comment
The_Ghan Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 wow i'm happy for japan to donate a some trains to AUS we are greatly in need HAHAHA. Maybe next time Naoto Kan comes to NSW we should let him ride our trains to encourage this HAH! Good point Keitaro, Let's order ... umm ... say ... 1200 cars for NSW. Knowing the Japanese they'll be delivered before Christmas and defect free. Just one problem: narrow gauge !!! Cheers The_Ghan Link to comment
keitaro Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Cough *Shinkansen* cough *100 series* Yes please http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4552.0.html shame to leave them there :( Although we may need to politely ask for the throttle to be modified for our not so great rail.... Back on topic read this... Seems that even in donation some one is trying to profiteer. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/sumitomo-raided-over-donated-train-scandal/393886 Link to comment
The_Ghan Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Profiteering in Indonesia? Never! I know for certain that after the Indonesian earthquake and tsuname the Australian government donated $1B in aid to Indonesia. The Indonesian government took the whole $500m and divided it between the various Regional Reconstruction Sub-Committees, who used all of the $250m by allocated it to Project Management Teams. The Project Management Teams tendered and awarded the full $125m worth of projects to a range of international and local building firms. The building firms sub-contracted out the various parts of each project and the sub-contractors delivered the completed projects valued at $60m. Yup! The accounting seems fine to me too! Cheers The_Ghan 1 Link to comment
Jcarlton Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Cough *Shinkansen* cough *100 series* Yes please http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4552.0.html shame to leave them there :( Although we may need to politely ask for the throttle to be modified for our not so great rail.... Back on topic read this... Seems that even in donation some one is trying to profiteer. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/sumitomo-raided-over-donated-train-scandal/393886 I have a wonderful new home for them here in Connecticut. We need new trains for shoreline east, the Yankee games and coming soon, New Jersey football. Plus taking about 100 casino busses off Rte 95. It's not as if these would be the first used trains CDOT has gotten their hands on. They'll take anything as long as it's cheap. Link to comment
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