Sunrise Express

[bill937ca]

Sleeper train Series 285 stock operating as the Sunrise Express between Izumo-Shi, Takamatsu and Tokyo as the Sunrise Izumo and Sunrise Seto.

 

[Bernard]

I never knew the Sunrise Express was a sleeper. After looking at the video, Kato really did an excellent job of modeling it.

[bill937ca]

I never knew the Sunrise Express was a sleeper. After looking at the video, Kato really did an excellent job of modeling it.

 

It's all single and double bedrooms.

 

http://homepage3.nifty.com/canada/intercity/285~en.html

 

The two trains are coupled together at Okayama.

 

[soccertj08]

anyone know if they are doing a re-run of the kato models, as they are not produced at the moment

[bill937ca]

It's currently available at Plaza japan on eBay.  I can't get into Hobby Search right now to check there.

[hbr245b]

If you're in the USA, M B Klein has them: http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/N_Scale_Japanese_Electric_s_s/2143.htm

[Bernard]

Here it is from Hobby Search:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10024746

 

hbr245b - I didn't know MB Klein carried Japanese models and depending on where you live (excluding shipping) their price is a little better. I'm had really good experiences with MB Klein.

 

If you decide to purchase it at does take a different interior lighting system than most of the Kato passenger cars but it's a nice set.

[bill937ca]

 

hbr245b - I didn't know MB Klein carried Japanese models and depending on where you live (excluding shipping) their price is a little better. I'm had really good experiences with MB Klein.

 

 

M. B. Klein carries Kato and Tomix items, some Japanese trains, Japanese vehicles and Japanese structures.

 

Tomix

 

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/category_s/1206.htm

 

Kato Japanese prototypes

 

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato_N_Japanese_Prototype_s/2448.htm

 

All Kato

 

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato_N_Scale_s/748.htm

[scott]

I'm confused--Hobbysearch labels the two versions of the Sunrise Express as "JR West" and "JR Central," and MB Klein calls them "JR West" and "JR Tokai." According to Wikipedia, the two separate trains (Sunrise Izumo and Sunrise Seto) run on JR West tracks (plus some JR Shikoku for the Seto) until they join on the way to Tokyo, and thereafter run as a single train on JR West, JR Central, and JR East tracks.

 

So what's the deal with the two different versions--how should they really be named, and what's the difference?

 

[CaptOblivious]

JR Tokai = JR Central

Solves that one! I don't know what the difference between the trains is, though…

[scott]

Thanks...but I still don't get why they're labelled that way, since they both run on JR West, and only run on JR Central when they're coupled together, at least according to the infallible Wikipedia.

[Tenorikuma]

According to the Japanese Wikipedia, the train owned by JR West is designated #0, while JR Tokai's is #3000; in addition, the equipment installed on the underside of the locomotives differs between the two trains. Presumably, this is reflected in the models.

[CaptOblivious]

Thanks...but I still don't get why they're labelled that way, since they both run on JR West, and only run on JR Central when they're coupled together, at least according to the infallible Wikipedia.

 

It's not unusual for trains running services across the JR borders to have sets owned by both of those entities. The blue train Hokutosei, for example, which runs Tokyo <-> Sapporo has two different sets, one owned by JR East, and one by JR Hokkaido. So too is it with the shinkansen that run on the Tokkaido and Sanyo lines, there are sets owned by JR Central and sets owned by JR West (and none owned by JR East, 'cause they got their own line already ;) )

[scott]

Hmm...so what we're modeling here is a cost-sharing agreement?  :-\

 

:)

[Guest ___]

Thanks...but I still don't get why they're labelled that way, since they both run on JR West, and only run on JR Central when they're coupled together, at least according to the infallible Wikipedia.

 

It's not unusual for trains running services across the JR borders to have sets owned by both of those entities. The blue train Hokutosei, for example, which runs Tokyo <-> Sapporo has two different sets, one owned by JR East, and one by JR Hokkaido. So too is it with the shinkansen that run on the Tokkaido and Sanyo lines, there are sets owned by JR Central and sets owned by JR West (and none owned by JR East, 'cause they got their own line already ;) )

 

How are they labled? JR East, JR Hokkaido?

[CaptOblivious]

Thanks...but I still don't get why they're labelled that way, since they both run on JR West, and only run on JR Central when they're coupled together, at least according to the infallible Wikipedia.

 

It's not unusual for trains running services across the JR borders to have sets owned by both of those entities. The blue train Hokutosei, for example, which runs Tokyo <-> Sapporo has two different sets, one owned by JR East, and one by JR Hokkaido. So too is it with the shinkansen that run on the Tokkaido and Sanyo lines, there are sets owned by JR Central and sets owned by JR West (and none owned by JR East, 'cause they got their own line already ;) )

 

How are they labled? JR East, JR Hokkaido?

 

Yep, there's the JR East configuration and the JR Hokkaido configuration. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but they run different consists with slight but interesting differences in livery. JR Hokkaido also uses a unique Hokutosei badge on the "lobby car" that matches that of the Hokutosei liveried DD51s. JR East uses a heraldic device looking thing on all of their cars.

 

Compare:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10050815

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10033156

[Guest ___]

That makes sense. I hadn't realized that JRH had them. Might have to look at the shots I did from Tokyo Station last year then. My photos I labeled them all as JRE

[bill937ca]

I'm going to bring this thread back because Kato is bringing the Sunrise Express back in February.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWN0qHuWSwU

 

 

Series 285 translated from Japanese Wikipedia.

 

http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJR%25E8%25A5%25BF%25E6%2597%25A5%25E6%259C%25AC285%25E7%25B3%25BB%25E9%259B%25BB%25E8%25BB%258A&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2

 

JR West Series 285 page

 

http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jr-odekake.net%2Ftrain%2Fsunriseseto_izumo%2Findex.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2

 

JR Tokai page on Series 285.

 

http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Frecommend.jr-central.co.jp%2Fothers%2Fmuseum%2Ftrain%2Fexpress%2Fdetail_02_05%2Findex.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2

[Claude_Dreyfus]

Oh goody! 

 

I have been hoping they would re-run of this...

[scott]

I'm going to bring this thread back because Kato is bringing the Sunrise Express back in February

 

Whoo!  Any idea when it'll be available for reservation (he asks, having learned his lesson....)?

[bill937ca]

I'm going to bring this thread back because Kato is bringing the Sunrise Express back in February

 

Whoo!  Any idea when it'll be available for reservation (he asks, having learned his lesson....)?

 

it is now at HS

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10024746

 

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10024745

 

Its not listed on HWJ so they're reservations must have closed.

[to2leo]

I love them.  I bought both sets for 10000yen (about USD$109.50) used in Hakata.

 

I rode the real thing on my first night in Japan last November.  Got myself a single room on the upper floor.  The curve window was amasing catching passing nite trains and city skylines.

 

Yes, the kato models can be joined together.

[scott]

it is now at HS

 

Thanks, Bill!

[disturbman]

I bought both sets for 10000yen (about USD$109.50) used in Hakata.

 

10k for two sets?! That's a bargain! Do they run well? I really need to go back to Japan to do some shoping (and travel).

[to2leo]

Yes, I tested everyone of them.  That's why I went crazy shopping for trains in Japan.  I think if you don't need to buy new and will be visiting there.  You SHOULD shop at the second hand shops first to save you loads of cash.