Japan built bogies.

[Guest sergey t]

Hello to all the team members from Moscow, Russia.

Please, may you help me? I'm looking for the info about the dimensions of n-scale bogies (wheelbase and wheel diameter). My english is not such a good for this search, but is much better than my japanese Most of the webpages, which i have found already, were in japan language...

I hope to use some items in myself modelling for narrow-gauge loks etc.

Is't possible to find the info about the following items:

1. wheelbase of the bogies - 14,2mm, 15mm and 11,7mm (all are powered), except KATO 105 (11mm) and Tomytec (14mm)

2. wheel diameter - 5mm, 6,25mm, 7mm with gears M0,3

 

Sorry for mistakes in my message and thanks a lot in advance. You can send a letter to my home mail-box.

My best wishes,

                      Sergey

[CaptOblivious]

Hello to all the team members from Moscow, Russia.

Please, may you help me? I'm looking for the info about the dimensions of n-scale bogies (wheelbase and wheel diameter). My english is not such a good for this search, but is much better than my japanese Most of the webpages, which i have found already, were in japan language...

I hope to use some items in myself modelling for narrow-gauge loks etc.

Is't possible to find the info about the following items:

1. wheelbase of the bogies - 14,2mm, 15mm and 11,7mm (all are powered), except KATO 105 (11mm) and Tomytec (14mm)

2. wheel diameter - 5mm, 6,25mm, 7mm with gears M0,3

 

Sorry for mistakes in my message and thanks a lot in advance. You can send a letter to my home mail-box.

My best wishes,

                       Sergey

 

 

Здравствуйте, Сергей! (I took a few years of Russian in college, but have forgotten everything but: "Я не говорить по-Россий.", "Я не знаю." and "Я забыл.", and I probably got some of those wrong, too. Я забыл.)

 

Anyway, could you be more specific? I don't quite understand what bogies you want measured. Do you know the JNR/JR model numbers of the bogies, or what trains they appear on? Or Kato/Tomix part numbers? The measurements you offered don't make sense to me, I'm afraid. I've got a pair of calipers, and am happy to take whatever measurements from my own collection for you, but I need to know more precisely what bogies you want measured.

 

Welcome to the forum!

[The_Ghan]

Da!  James Bond movies certainly got me interested in Russian!

[Guest sergey t]

Hello CaptOblivious. It's me again. Thanks a lot for your answer.

Here are the translates of your words:

I don't speak Russian - Я не говорю по-русски

I don't know - Я не знаю

I have forgotten -  Я забыл   (small off-top)

 

A short notice: actually i'm the collector of the european TT-scale (1:120) Most of a russian collectors who assembled the self-made models, are used the N-scale parts for TT-scale narrow gauge. But this is incorrect, because 90 percent of russian narrow-gauge lines are 750mm wide (or TTe 6,5mm  NEM) The N-scale items (9mm) are TTm ... In this case we have two choices: a) to buy Maerklin or other producter Z-scale parts b) N-scale parts, narrowed to width 6,5mm. All Z-scale items are kill me with its prices and are too small in dimensions for TT-scale; another case, N-scale items are much closer to it.

OK, the real sizes of the russian-built narrow-gauge loks are: (bogie wheelbase - wheel diameter)

1. 1700 - 900 (TTe: 14,17 - 7,5) or for 1:160 - 2267 real size (bogie only)

2. 1800 - 750 (15 - 6,25) - 2400

3. 1400 - 600 (11,67 - 5,0) - 1867,2

I don't have in mind the wheels and bogie side-parts, because it must be changed, of course. I hope that i can do the bogie body slighty more tight....

 

Here are the cat-numbers of the KATO, Tomix and Tomytec items:

 

KATO 432ZD1 - from Model Train Store

KAT-929263  ?? for P-42(?)

KAT-929303 (17,14 - 6,35??) for F-units

KAT-929351 (15,23 - 6,35??) for NW-2 - all are from Model Train Stuff, for american dieselloks

 

Tomix:

 

DT13 - 10065941, 10067364

DT21BN - 10095805, 10118970

DT22N - 10056451, 10063129, 10075573

DT31N - 10075576

DT32U - 10067363

DT32P - 10065942

DT48 - 10072723

DT50U - 10069564

DT56B - 10075570

DT61 - 10075572

DT61G - 10057410

DT113B - 10066582

DT115 - 10094120

DT129 - 10080106

WDT61A - 10080137

FS384 - 10104782

 

Banday Shorty - 640710

Tomytec TM-series - 221739 or others - all the numbers are from Model Train Store

Please, may you tell me, how wide is the body of the bogie (lower part, near wheel axles)?

 

If you're interesting in, please, you can visit one of the russian modelling web-site ScaleTrainsClub.com - Форум - Библиотека - Узкая колея (narrow gauge) or all the kinds of russian normal-gauge real items and models. Inside the narrow-gauge section is a lot of the photos (it's not a promotion!)  

 

Sorry for a big message and my best wishes to all.

 

Sincerely yours,

                         Sergey

[CaptOblivious]

Sergey,

 

Thanks for the clarification. I don't have any of Kato's N.American locos, but other member do. Ill cross reference those Tomix part numbers with my model collection to see if I can help you out. It will take a couple of days, but I'll get back to you.

 

Anyone else here can help Sergei with the Kato part measurements?

[KenS]

I have an older Kato P42, but the rear truck matches this picture.  On it the wheelbase (axle to axle) is just over 17 mm. I've misplaced my calipers so I can't give you an exact measure of the wheel diameter, but it appears to be about 6.5mm. To match the prototype's 40-inch (1016mm) it should be 6.35, so that's probably the actual size.

[brill27mcb]

This may help a bit:

 

http://www.trainweb.org/tomix/ChassisDim.htm

 

It is mostly shorter-length chassis, useful for trams.

 

I will try to measure the inner case width of the bogies and the wheel diameters for you.

[Edit: Here are my measurements. The Tomytec TM-series has a 5.6 mm wheel diameter and a typical "gearbox" width also of 5.6 mm (TM-11 is different). I do not think you can add 2 flanges plus clearance and be within 6.5 mm gauge. Kato 11-1xx series Bandai/Pocket Line wheel diameter is 5.1 mm. My Bachmann and Modemo trams have 5.6 mm diameters, although the Modemo 300-series Tokyu Electric articulated cars have 5.0 mm.]

 

As long as people are measuring, if anyone can provide me with info to fill in the blanks in my tables at the site above, I will add it for the benefit of all. I would add the separately-sold Tomix chassis, too, but have no info on them. Thanks!

 

Rich K.

[Guest sergey t]

Hello to all the members.

 

Here is a lot of the new information - THANK you :)

 

Comments in the order:

To The_Ghan. O yeah!!!, all the bondiana movies are such a realistic, especially the govm train from "The golden eye"   :grin

To CaptOblivious. Thank you again for all, of course, i can wait. :)

To KenS. Thank you. I think, this is one of the standart american bogies (40" and 9' 00" or 6,35 and 17,14). Any case it is now the outsider of my search list.

To brill27mcb. It's a perfect list, i can ordered now some of the items, which are closer to my sizes - thanks a lot. Regarding the gearbox  - yes, it's too much... But any case, i'll ordered some things for experiments. I think, i can reduce the innerspace (correct?) of the box too And, on the first place for me is a complete gearset. Also, now i can ordered the Bandai wheels in addition to my list.

 

Here is a short list of the wheels which were (are) in use for diff. russian narrow-gauge bogies of a trucks - cargo and passenger (wheelbase - wheel diam. - TTe sizes):

1020 - 500 or 510 (8,5 - 4,17 or 4,25)

1067 - 540 or 610 (8,892 - 4,5 or 5,08)

1150 - 510, 540 or 610 (9,583 - 4,25, 4,5 or 5,08)

1300 - 540 (10,833 - 4,5)

1360 (1380?) - 610 (11,333 - 5,08)

I have some KATO - items already. Here is the scan and the skizze (if someone interested in the dimensions). It's not a old-kind pizza-cutter, but not a low-profile wheel too...

Many thanks for all for the cooperation and my best regards.

Hope to see you again soon.

Yours,

          Sergey

[marknewton]

Sergey,

 

I can't help you with any dimensions for N scale wheels and bogies as I model in HO scale, but I'm very interested in knowing more about Russian narrow-gauge modelling. What are you building? I've seen a few of the surviving 750mm gauge lines - and I have a real fondness for Tu 2 diesel locos.

 

All the best,

 

Mark.

[Guest sergey t]

Hello Mark.

 

Thanks a lot for your interest. Please, may you send a letter to my home mail-box?

 

Yours, Sergey