Need some input

[TedG]

I'm new to this forum and previously had some little HO experience 15 years ago. Resently I've got a collection of different trains (mostly japanese) for basically nothing and decided to try N scale operations oriented layout.

Using ebay I've managed to snatch Kato track pieces at very good prices. Now, driven by desire to use all possible elements and limited by the size of styrofoam sheet  I've barely managed to fit V11+V12+viaduct loop+some

loose pieces on the sheet. As you can see it's just a mock-up, nothing is connected, some catenaries and details are not installed.

 

Is there any better way to have long trains running on limited surface space? No DCC planned so far. BTW, integrating superelevated curves wasn't easy as they require special easement curves which is not really flexible way.

Do not mind TGV, it's just sitting there for looks.

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Ted.

[Krackel Hopper]

hey hey,

 

I think you have a pretty good layout plan there.

 

A figure 8 (or folded loop) is one of the best ways to run long trains in a limited space.  Since the figure 8 runs the diagonal corners you get the longest run possible before having to turn. 

 

The only real way to make longer runs in the limited space is to use smaller radius curves.  With the longer cars (like TGV) the tighter curves make the train look a little silly on corners and can even cause operational problems.

 

One thing you could consider when dealing with limited surface area - build up.  Using woodland scenics inclines (or making your own from foam) and Kato piers, you could create a 3rd level on the layout - a double-decker truss bridge might not be prototypical, but I bet it'd look pretty awesome.

[dickturpin]

Ted,

 

I agree your layout is good already. I have a similar layout and have added interest by automatting the train operations and having a station stop.

 

Dickturpin

[CaptOblivious]

I think M. Hopper is right. Diagonal runs, and runs along the length, are about all you can do. Generally you get to pick between long runs or spaghetti; can't really have both.

 

One option you might consider is shoving all the curves into the corners, and hiding them under mountains or in urban jungles so the viewer can only see the straight runs. They will then appear longer than they realy are.

[boiselfish]

Just have one question...

 

your elevated viaduct curves, they are all banked yes? If so how is it you successfully running the trains over the join from the curve to the straight? It looks like you are using the approaches on all curves. Please correct me if i'm wrong.  

[TedG]

Just have one question...

 

your elevated viaduct curves, they are all banked yes? If so how is it you successfully running the trains over the join from the curve to the straight? It looks like you are using the approaches on all curves. Please correct me if i'm wrong.  

 

i'm using mix of old viaduct loop set (non-banked, all concrete) and v11+v12, which are banked (concrete ties with ballast imitation). Viaduct pieces are NOT banked (last picture, left bottom corner).