Jump to content
nah00

Hobby fatigue

Recommended Posts

NX:

 

7 hours ago, Welshbloke said:

 Against a media backdrop which seems to push the idea that anyone interested in trains is a socially maladjusted loner and probably autistic (which to the mass media is A Bad Thing). 

 

Hahaha... I agree. Media (movies, series, news, papers, etc) is teaching "if your neighbour likes trains, listens opera/classic music and reads books, he/she must have serious issues".

Two quick anecdotes:

1. I am reading a book in a park, an acquaintance passes by and meet me. He reacts negatively about the scenario (just the book, he doesn't care the information in it) and all the conversation is about "reading a book". I could have been checking my mobile, reading the same book (in PDF), watching stupid things or horrible things but all would have been fine cos' it would have been using my mobile. I don't care his opinion but what bother me it is the waste of time explaining my actions to (some) people.

2. Someone asked me yesterday (this is for real) "what are your hobbies"?... I kept few seconds in silence then I said whatever (I made up an answer). I don't see the point of having to explain myself like if I have to justify something or seeking approval. The conversation moved to another topic (i.e. work) and you carry on with your life.

 

3 hours ago, disturbman said:


Ideally, but things are never that easy. Nagging and constant criticism can always take its toll, even when we are inclined to disregard those negative opinions. We are still social animals and very few people can live in a vacuum where the only important metric is their own understanding of their intrinsic worth. And, usually, these are particularly horrible, absolutely selfish, persons to be around.

 

100%, even worse with social media when people are so thirsty for validation (i.e. likes, views, positive comments) and even get depressed if they don't get them.

Assess an opinion, if it is not worthy, just don't care. You do it once and you feel a bit of freedom, keep doing it and you will get better at it.  Like many things in life is all about practice (it is not white or black).

Going to the other extreme is clearly bad (black or white thinking), following your own decisions while respecting others (but not necessarily following them) is a way of seeing it.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
nah00
58 minutes ago, NX: said:

 

Hahaha... I agree. Media (movies, series, news, papers, etc) is teaching "if your neighbour likes trains, listens opera/classic music and reads books, he/she must have serious issues".

 

Oh god I like trains, listen to Dvorak, and have a collection of military/aircraft/train books that rival a library, better lock up this menace to society before I do something like read quietly or take apart a locomotive for cleaning!

  • Like 1
  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Welshbloke

I do notice that Japanese modellers seem a lot more active on platforms such as Instagram. I follow and use a few hashtags which must cause some consternation as to why there's a random bloke on the other side of the world playing with KoKis and a DD51, but the validation is there.

 

I almost wonder if it's a chicken and egg thing. Something like Tomytecs in British N wouldn't sell because there's no market...but at the same time how do we know that there isn't a new market which is being completely ignored by the current ranges?

 

Hornby are trying a very off the wall steampunk range this year, the problem is that it's a somewhat peculiar interpretation and falls straight into the unpopular "just glue some cogs to it" trap. I have a horrible feeling the range will struggle as a result, when it could have been a creditable attempt to sell model trains to people who wouldn't previously consider them.

 

In the astronomy world the big word is outreach. Encouraging people to go outside and look up, to come to a public event and look through a telescope and so on. As you might expect this tends to be fun with a fair bit of silliness as being serious and boring won't attract newbies. There's some backlash and harrumphing about "real astronomy" but, thing is, if you take that attitude the hobby dies. Getting more people interested increases support for dark skies areas and widens the potential market for telescopes, leading to better economies of scale and more innovation. There really is no downside. Even if you don't like people you'll benefit from lower gear prices and (hopefully) better lighting design which reduces light pollution.

Share this post


Link to post
disturbman
1 hour ago, NX: said:

I am reading a book in a park, an acquaintance passes by and meet me. He reacts negatively about the scenario (just the book, he doesn't care the information in it) and all the conversation is about "reading a book". I could have been checking my mobile, reading the same book (in PDF), watching stupid things or horrible things but all would have been fine cos' it would have been using my mobile.


😮 

Where do you live? Or who are these people?! I still see plenty of people reading books in public and semi-public spaces around Europe, either on the subway, on the plane, in cafés, bars, or parks. I never heard anyone complain or chastises somebody else for reading a book.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
gavino200
On 1/24/2020 at 1:41 AM, chadbag said:

 

So, I have about 5 hobbies / past times that I pursue.  Usually not all at once, but I kind of cycle through them.  I am not exclusive to one, but there are generally one or two that get more attention while others languish, and after a while, which ones are the "one or two" change.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. Hobby rotation is the key to perennial enjoyment.

Share this post


Link to post
cteno4

Yes I’m the creepy guy down the street with model trains, walls of books (omg scifi and history) and a woodshop... creepo!

 

ive had so many agast at having a book with me,even more the iPad is upside down on the table and the book is open. I’ve noticed the now and then I have a book in a coffee shop I’m the only one, everyone else is on a mobile, but I’m the one getting a few funny looks with the book (maybe I just look funny) and a few times the joking comment from a stranger “look a real book!” Not meant in the positive.

 

ive turned the corner on the hobby question, I now proudly and enthusiastically start talking about my hobbies. Many are fine and respond well to the enthusiasm and those that are on the condescending track I can bury quickly with smiling questions back about what they do for hobbies and commenting on the great things hobbies bring me. It’s fun to watch the condescension turn into total embarrassment and at times total defeat when they start to realize they are actually the sad one missing out on a great part of life. Some of these if they seem like otherwise nice folks I will then try to genuinely encourage them about hobbies. The real haters I don’t mind them walking away feeling a bit left out, it’s their choice. I guess I’ve come to this after speaking to so many people at public events (non train shows) where most of audience are a cross section of society. Many genuinely already know the loss not having hobbies and really praise us for having one and being willing to share it. That makes up for the haters...

 

jeff

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
NX:

 

 

On 1/29/2020 at 1:15 AM, nah00 said:

As for 'making a railroad that runs like a real railroad' I had revelation with regard to that. A lot of these prototype police people DON'T have a railroad of their own and simply like to point the shortcomings of other layouts without having any skin in the game. I can criticize my own layout's shortcomings but I also went back and looked hard and thought 'what was the reason I did this' I generally came up with a good answer. Doesn't mean I still don't have issues with the club layout but I'll keep them to myself and maybe on the next iteration be more active in construction. If I wasn't there to help build it I guess I really can't complain. Also I think I'll be doing less shows this year, the enjoyment I get out of them is less than if I would invest that same amount of time working on my own layout. Plus since the club is 'owned' by the LHS I won't be using any more it's hard for me to shill for them at shows. Maybe I'll ask Hobbysearch or Model Train Plus to send me business cards to hand out.

 

I went to a small train show this weekend strictly as a guest and just listened to people talking. The amount of people that said 'well I have all these trains, I'm going to make a layout eventually' far outweighed the people who said 'this is just what I was looking for for my layout'. It goes back to what I said earlier, it seems like a lot of people (especially the older generation, once again no offense, I've also ran into my fair share of people my age who have even worse beliefs) are willing to criticize but get stuck in analysis paralysis and end up without even having a loop to run trains on. Regardless of what you may think of my layout or style at the end of the day I can run my trains and yes I can very much enjoy PLAYING with them. If I wanted to operate a railroad I would go work for Norfolk Southern.  

 

 

Taking action (a.k.a. building your layout) is the most important thing even if you mess things up.

Nowadays everyone believes (wrongly) they should have an opinion (even if they didn't do a thing before). I mentioned it before, check where that opinion/advice is coming from then you decide to follow that or not.

At the end, you will not regret your mistakes as much as the things you did not try.

 

13 hours ago, nah00 said:

I looked over my track plan the other day and did some thinking on it and it's not as bad as I felt it was. The problem I was having was that I was applying too much of what I know about North American railroads to Japanese railroads which is apples to oranges. The fundamental operating principles of the way they handle traffic are completely different just as British railways are different from how German railways run. There isn't a one size fits all design and ultimately my layout pretty much does what I want it to do. Can I make changes? Yes. Do I necessarily want to right now? No, not at this point. 

 

I agree 100%. Just putting this out there made me feel better and to know that other people had the same/similar experiences to me and helped me refocus on what I want to do in the hobby and not necessarily doing what I feel someone expects me to do in the hobby.

 

I think you don't need validation so I am just truly mentioning my case as an example. My layout is JPN style obviously, I perform operations and have a basic signalling following the UK signalling principles (which I modified by myself to fit my JPN layout). In the future, I am planning (actually dreaming) changing/modding all to Korean railroads and signalling (+10 years plan) so what...? so what...?

 

10 hours ago, nah00 said:

 

Oh god I like trains, listen to Dvorak, and have a collection of military/aircraft/train books that rival a library, better lock up this menace to society before I do something like read quietly or take apart a locomotive for cleaning!

 

Dangerous man....

 

9 hours ago, disturbman said:


😮 

Where do you live? Or who are these people?! I still see plenty of people reading books in public and semi-public spaces around Europe, either on the subway, on the plane, in cafés, bars, or parks. I never heard anyone complain or chastises somebody else for reading a book.

 

When you are walking and if someone ask, they would ask "where are you going?", they don't ask why you walk.

When you are eating, the question could be "what are you eating?"

When you are reading, "what are you reading"... not... are you reading a "book"? a paper book?

 

No one complains, I see many people reading around in my city but that sort of question coming from an apparently "mentally stable" person (25 years, working for some years) is just worrying...

The context was waiting for your partner to have dinner one Friday if your city is medium to big there are busy areas on Fridays. You arrived early and waited in a nearby park while readying a book. No one chastises no one but there are questions that were unthinkable only five years ago. 

 

2 hours ago, cteno4 said:

Yes I’m the creepy guy down the street with model trains, walls of books (omg scifi and history) and a woodshop... creepo!

 

Hahaha... watch out this guy!

There are others that also like electronics and codding... sekai no owari… 

I know one guy that got into a bit of trouble only for codding in a plane... it was like four hours flight so he got bored and started codding cos' he didn't like movies.

Nowadays all we need to do the "standard" things to be "normal" and happy days for everyone.

 

2 hours ago, cteno4 said:

ive had so many agast at having a book with me,even more the iPad is upside down on the table and the book is open. I’ve noticed the now and then I have a book in a coffee shop I’m the only one, everyone else is on a mobile, but I’m the one getting a few funny looks with the book (maybe I just look funny) and a few times the joking comment from a stranger “look a real book!” Not meant in the positive.

 

So... additional information is indicating that something is going on... 

 

Cheers,

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Claude_Dreyfus
11 hours ago, nah00 said:

 

Oh god I like trains, listen to Dvorak, and have a collection of military/aircraft/train books that rival a library, better lock up this menace to society before I do something like read quietly or take apart a locomotive for cleaning!

Funnily enough, Dvorak liked trains too!

 

This is quite a wide ranging topic, but from my perspective:

 

We all get jaded/bored with our hobbies from time to time. Sometimes it results in ditching it altogether, or taking a break. That's where other interests are critical. I have known a good many enthusiasts who are essentially obsessives...their hobby consumes their entire live; they talk of nothing else and usually have very set views on how things should be. Without a let out (music, sports, walking, whatever) a hobby can be more of a chore than the pleasure it is meant to be.

 

I have plenty of other interests beside railways; music, natural history, travel...and boating (we were given a rowing boat a couple of years ago and live within a minute's drive of a navigable river, which flows through a natural reserve! Perfect!). All of them have cross overs and help make the others more fulfilling. When interest wanes in one, there are others to keep you going.

 

Even within the hobby itself we have diverse interests. I still model Japanese N gauge, but at present am mainly focused on German H0. Hence the lack of Japanese layout at present!

 

In terms of perception, quite a lot has happened in the UK to help this. Well known personalities such as Rod Stewart, Roger Daltry, Jools Holland (although admittedly none are young) being enthusiasts and modellers has helped the cause, as did (ironically) the vandalism of the Market Deeping exhibition, which made international news, but showed how the community rallied together. Also, modelling has got more into the mainstream media. The BBC did a short series of modelling (The Joy of Model Railways), and of course the is the Great Model Railway Challenge. All these things have raised the profile of the hobby. 

 

Local hobby shops have gone the way of so many other small local shops. Bigger stores and the internet have killed them. I have a couple of shops nearby, Gaugemaster is 10 miles, and Kernow models (Guildford) is about 15. So I am quite lucky in that respect. That said the bulk of by purchases are from Germany and Japan, so I don't really use them!

 

Clubs aren't for everyone. At their best they are a great way to socialise, share ideas and to build something you could manage on your own. Their drawback can be tribalism, snobbery and strife! That's all part of life. I have enjoyed being part of my local club (20 years this year) and fell lucky that I have been part of a group which was sympathetic to my interests. We had a Japanese N gauge exhibition layout for a while, and now have a mixture of UK 00 and German H0, with all sorts in between. 

Share this post


Link to post
railsquid
2 hours ago, NX: said:

There are others that also like electronics and codding... sekai no owari… 

I know one guy that got into a bit of trouble only for codding in a plane... it was like four hours flight so he got bored and started codding cos' he didn't like movies.

Nowadays all we need to do the "standard" things to be "normal" and happy days for everyone.

 

 

Sounds bizarre, what kind of trouble??? I've done a lot of coding on planes and at airports over the years, excellent relative distraction-free environment.

Share this post


Link to post
NX:
34 minutes ago, railsquid said:

 

Sounds bizarre, what kind of trouble??? I've done a lot of coding on planes and at airports over the years, excellent relative distraction-free environment.

He said that he was told to stop as there was people "feeling" uneasy. Maybe a person typing then running screens with bunches of numbers made people feel uneasy, I dont know. I dont see his need to lay about it (but it could be) but he mentioned it once and never again.

 

I worked with excel files for hours on planes, nothing happened but I think everyone knows a excel files.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
JR 500系

I am glad to be able to speak loudly in front of friends to say I have a hobby, and in fact they get pretty impressed when I mention hobby trains! Although I get the usual first impressions of being labelled as a 'geek' or a 'loner', they do feel otherwise when they know me better cause i'm not just all about hobby trains...   😛

 

Fact is, I am glad to have a hobby... without one, I feel life is pretty mundane for me... like work and rest and work and rest again so... Having a hobby sparks up life for me! (Although the Mrs. think otherwise)… 

Share this post


Link to post
Martijn Meerts
5 hours ago, NX: said:

Taking action (a.k.a. building your layout) is the most important thing even if you mess things up.

 

As the great and almighty Bob Ross once said, "we don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents"

 

Well, actually, he said it multiple times each episode, but still 😉

 

 

 

 

 

 

I started watching his show again recently, I've been close to a burnout due to work (work has been notified about this), and watching Bob is just so calming.. And to think he used to be a drill sergeant in the army.

 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Haha 3

Share this post


Link to post
cteno4

Yep he was a Sargent in the Air Force so the guy always barking the orders to everyone and the person who must be obeyed... his personality the rest of his life he said was defined by this, wanting to be the calm, nice person not raising his voice and just smiling. Saw a great little doc on him a few years back. He is so soothing. Always enjoy watching him and use to be on a couple of hours late morning on pbs and I would put it on while working, very nice background thing to look at every 5 min or so to relax for 30 sec.

 

jeff

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
marknewton

That's the bloke who did the painting tutorials, yeah? I've seen a few of those, and learned a lot from them. He came across as someone who you really enjoy spending some time with.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
cteno4

Spot on mark! I always thought it was wonderful he was just like you wanted to listen to him and relax! A very good egg.

 

i was just having dinner with an old friend who was an art director on many of my projects about Bob Ross and he said the same things, how great is it to be able to give that to the world.

 

jeff

Share this post


Link to post
RogerMc

Good time to start at the beginning ...

 

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
NX:

It is good that people share what helps them to manage stress and carry on with their job and other things (like our hobby).

 

When I feel sloppy at work, I watch Dan Pena's videos.

His stuff can be applied in many areas of everyone's life (not only for M&A).

Then I can work 10 or 12 hours in a day if I feel it like necessary (not obligated, not asked, just my own will/commitment)... push... push... push... and get things done.

 

 

Cheers,

Share this post


Link to post
railsquid

A 100 million trains? Will take a couple more years to reach that mark at the current rate.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...