Passnger Car Widths JR vs Others ????

[bill937ca]

Is this 1067mm as wide as a 1435mm train?

 

 

Are these 1067mm as wide as North American Bombardier bi-levels?

 

 

I have heard that JR stretches its 1067mm gauge passenger cars so they are as wide as standard gauge Japanese cars. So how wide are JR passenger cars?

 

E209  2880mm or 113 inches  2.70 times gauge

E231  2950mm or 116 inches  2.76 times gauge

E233  2950mm or 116 inches  2.76 times gauge

 

Japanese 1435mm Gauge

 

Now for some 1435mm standard gauge comparisons from Japan.

 

Series 500 Shinkansen 3380mm or 133 inches 2.36 times gauge

N700 Shinkansen 3380mm or 133 inches 2.36 times gauge

 

Kintetsu 21000 Urbanliner 2800mm or 110 inches 1.95 times gauge

 

Hankyu 6300 (Kyoto Line) 2850mm or 112 inches 1.99 times gauge

 

Keisei AE-100 Skyliner 2760mm or 109 inches 1.92 times gauge

 

Bombardier Bi-Levels

 

The only North American car widths I have found so far are the Bombardier Bi-Level commuter cars (as used by GO Transit, Trinity Rail and others) which are 9 ft 10 inches wide or 118 inches, only 2 inches wider than a E231 or E233 EMU car.  

 

I would like to know how wide an Via Rail LRC cars is.  That's something to work on tomorrow.

 

Anyone got any passenger car widths to add to the comparison?

[westfalen]

We know the Orient Express cars ran in Japan in 1988 with apparently little more than a change of trucks, so the Japanese 3'6" loading gauge must be at least as generous as Europe's standard gauge.

[bikkuri bahn]

We know the Orient Express cars ran in Japan in 1988 with apparently little more than a change of trucks, so the Japanese 3'6" loading gauge must be at least as generous as Europe's standard gauge.

 

Yes, that's right.  However, a loading gauge check train was run on the proposed route of the Orient Express and a few spots were found to intrude (mainly station platform edges on curves- Japan has high platforms while Europe generally has low ones).  The problem it seems, was the length of the Orient Express stock, which was an average 2.2 meters longer than Japanese equivalents.  As for width, the Wagon Lits stock was 2850mm wide, narrower than the 2950mm wide Japanese stock.  Apparently the rail in the affected areas was temporarily adjusted to provide clearance.

 

As for loading gauge, one reference is the Japanese wikipedia entry on this topic, which is superior to the English wiki as it provides information on Japan's loading gauge and a chart towards the bottom.  Columns left to right are: country, gauge, max width, max height (in mm). Country (regions) listed top to bottom are: Japan (narrow gauge), Japan (shinkansen), E. Asia (China, N. and S. Korea), UK, Europe, N.America AAR plate B, N. America AAR plate C, and South Africa.

 

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%BB%8A%E4%B8%A1%E9%99%90%E7%95%8C

[bill937ca]

Thanks for the link bikkuri bahn.  I'll get to read that later.