vadimav Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 hello to all. I m N-scaler from Russia. I need more info about KATO N 10543 Keihin Tohoku Line 6-Car Commuter Train I was at KATO web, but still cannot find out manual, except some pictures. My questions: Does this train have : 1) DCC ready bidirectional lights? 2) Lights in cars 3) Operating Pantograph, (carying currect) 4) Electric coupling between cars? 5) Electric pickup in other (nonmotorized) cars? 6) 4 or 2 axles motorized in one motorized intermediate car? 7) Which is the smallest Radius? 8) Which is a critical Angle? ------ Thanks! Link to comment
inobu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Here is a link that gives details on the E223. I think is answers a lot of your question. http://jmtn.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/tomix-vs-kato-e233-1000-model-review/ 1.Yes 2. Lighting kits are sold 3. Current is ran through the track not Pantograph 4. Couplers are not electrical 5. Yes 6. - 7. - 8. - I can't give definitive answers on 6,7,8 Inobu Link to comment
Claude_Dreyfus Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 6 - A single motor coach - all axles driven. Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Thanks a lot! If i ll buy it, i ll connect current pickups from all cars together! My train will become nonseparabale but with dependable current pickup! But how about pantographs? Can They bear mechanical acting at opened state in case of moving train on layout with working catenary? Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The pantographs won't be able to transfer current unless you replace them completely. You'll also need to modify the shell. It's not impossible, but I wouldn't really recommend it either. Link to comment
CaptOblivious Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The pantographs won't be able to transfer current unless you replace them completely. You'll also need to modify the shell. It's not impossible, but I wouldn't really recommend it either. Let me add that they are not sprung, like current-carrying pantographs. Friction is all that keeps them up, and there is no spring to maintain pressure against the overhead. The result is that, even if you found a way to convert them, you'd have a hard time keeping it in contact with the wire. So, I'd recommend replacing them. As for your other questions: 7: probably about 243mm±5mm. I have a closely related set, and it will take 243mm radius curves well. 8: Not sure what you mean by "critical angle": Could you say more? Link to comment
to2leo Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 For question 8, do you how many mean the turning space you need for the train to turn a corner without hitting close-by objects? Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 OK! Thanks to all who reply me! About critical angle - I mean slope in degree which this train may rise up. About train's roof: Can i remove conditioner boxes (or like ventilation boxes) from the roof? Is it separable or a monolitic part of body? About pantograph's - Which supplyer can You recommend to buy operating pantograph's ? By the way, is it separable (removable) from this train? --- Vadim Link to comment
bc6 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 OK! Thanks to all who reply me! About critical angle - I mean slope in degree which this train may rise up. About train's roof: Can i remove conditioner boxes (or like ventilation boxes) from the roof? Is it separable or a monolitic part of body? About pantograph's - Which supplyer can You recommend to buy operating pantograph's ? By the way, is it separable (removable) from this train? --- Vadim Critical angle I think he means grade. You cant remove the air conditioner boxes, they are molded into the roof. The pantographs are removable, Im not sure who makes operational pantographs. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Kato usually recommends no more than a 4% slope. For replacement pantographs, you might have to go with non-prototypical ones. I'm not sure there are any Japanese companies that makes functional pantographs, but Minitrix and Fleishmann etc. do make them. Link to comment
CaptOblivious Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I can verify that similar Kato sets can climb 4-5% grades with no problem. On my Kato E231, the air conditioners can be removed—I thought, anyway? They are held in place by plastic tabs. The pantographs do come off, but I do not know of any Japanese manufacturer that makes operational pantos. You'd have to build you own, more than likely, or go with a European pantograph. Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 Thanks to all! I ll think aboui buying it! Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Does this train has radius correction mechanism on couplings ? (it is very essential al strong radiuses) Mainly: Does this couplings attached to the trucks or to the body of cars? --- Vadim Link to comment
CaptOblivious Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Vadim, I can't speak for the set you are interested in, but my Kato E231 set (which is a close relative) has dynamic body-mount couplers---as they turn, they get longer, to ensure good coupling on tight radius curves, but close coupling on straights. They are very reliable, and look good too. Don Does this train has radius correction mechanism on couplings ? (it is very essential al strong radiuses) Mainly: Does this couplings attached to the trucks or to the body of cars? --- Vadim Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hey Vadim - what train is your avatar? Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hey Vadim - what train is your avatar? My picture - The very famous Russian electric suburb train "ER2" , which has nick "The Balls", appearing at 70's and riding up to the present days. People, who lives in city often ride on it for collecting mushrooms into our suburb forests or often go to weekend into suburb residences! It's Russian tradition and legendar train, which presents in some famous films! Also it is very popular for other local people mivements up to distances of 200 km in city suburbs, overall the Russia. Unfortunately, there is no model in N-scale of this train. The interior of a cabin: This train has very simply interior in oak style: And some new modification , named as "the Squares" and it's Cabin: Interior of this train - plastic and soft sittings And the newest modification - the white train named as "Oparysh" Link to comment
vadimav Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 Vadim, I can't speak for the set you are interested in, but my Kato E231 set (which is a close relative) has dynamic body-mount couplers---as they turn, they get longer, to ensure good coupling on tight radius curves, but close coupling on straights. They are very reliable, and look good too. Don Does this train has radius correction mechanism on couplings ? (it is very essential al strong radiuses) Mainly: Does this couplings attached to the trucks or to the body of cars? --- Vadim Thanks, i think that it must have it! Link to comment
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