bill937ca Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 After viewing the Japanese high school video, this video was posted just to the right. Apparently this layout is chiefly for photographing trains and individual pieces. That green scenery looks so good. I've got to get back to work on my layout. There is a companion web site and blog , but alas no overall layout plan. http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/ http://blog.goo.ne.jp/192jdx9 Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Incredible stuff. Wonder if it's N or H0, they seem to mention both in their blog at least. Also wonder about the interior lighting in the last shot. They must be using batteries in the cars, no matter how clean the track and wheels are, there's always a certain amount of flickering if you use regular lighting kits. Link to comment
Bernard Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Amazing! I didn't think it was a layout at first. Link to comment
bill937ca Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 Incredible stuff. Wonder if it's N or H0, they seem to mention both in their blog at least. The You Tube heading says N Gauge. Link to comment
to2leo Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Wish we can all see the layout. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Incredible stuff. Wonder if it's N or H0, they seem to mention both in their blog at least. The You Tube heading says N Gauge. ....... I should learn how to read I guess =) Link to comment
cteno4 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 WOW! Love those etched metal catenary sections! really finishes things off nicely, but they run like $10 per foot! also great they have very slow turns. i am starting to think how i can hide most of my major turns on my home layout plans and do more sweeping curves in places even if its a very long S curve as the long curves do accent the train well. great video production values on this. got the right angle to see the train well and capture the scene. even some audio work it sounds like! cheers jeff Link to comment
bill937ca Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 I believe I found the production log for this layout. http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/koutei.html This page has the track plan. :) But it is a layout designed for photographing trains. http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/kihonhenkou.html http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/kasen.html Link to comment
Bernard Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The details on the catenary & wires is unbelievable! He totally analyzed it. Link to comment
bill937ca Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 There's more videos on his web site. http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/sub022.html Link to comment
cteno4 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The details on the catenary & wires is unbelievable! He totally analyzed it. Yeah if you are going to go for catenary you have to go for broke as anything else really can look awful! your eye is really caught by the catenary so it has to be perfect and in scale (ie really really small in n scale) to not look way wrong. even the etch brass stuff is a bit over scale and i think even his insulators may be a tad big, but they are so beautifully done it youre taken in by it all! This is a really serious modeler! love the track plan with those sweeping curves in the back that allow the two levels to intersect at very photogenic angles! nice hiding of the curves back to the front in the scenery. by hiding the track he also makes a much less dense track scene as the curves are where big chunks of scenery real estate are gobbled up (harder to fit stuff around a curved track!}. cheers jeff Link to comment
Bernard Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 There's more videos on his web site. http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/sub022.html Okay after seeing his layout I'm quitting model RRing! His skill level is out of this world, you really think it's the real thing. Even his weathering of the track and the bridges in excellent. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 The lighting in his scenes really helps a lot as well with making things look good. I think most people can reach the same level of detail, it just requires a lot of patience :) Link to comment
bill937ca Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 [ Okay after seeing his layout I'm quitting model RRing! His skill level is out of this world, you really think it's the real thing. Even his weathering of the track and the bridges in excellent. Like Martin says the lighting is a big factor. The layout is modular and the best light is outside. I see no obvious indications of this, but its a possibility. He's obviously a very experienced modeler. I really like the simplicity of the layout. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 This layout illustrates the potential of N scale- the ability to depict truly prototypical length trains on relatively long stretches of track. According to the website, the layout was built to portray a JNR main line in the late 60's to early 70's. That EF58 hauled "Asakaze" is impressive! Link to comment
inobu Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 That's what I was saying about the catenaries. They capture the eyes and sets the tone. The added detain on the poles sets it off. It is truly a work of art. The way modeling works, the observer looks for detail that sets their level of realism. The only added detail that would place the viewer in total question (real or layout) is to place fine straight green fibers in the greenery. The objective is to simulate the wind from the trains as it passes. This layout takes things to the next level. Inobu Link to comment
cteno4 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 That's what I was saying about the catenaries. They capture the eyes and sets the tone. The added detain on the poles sets it off. It is truly a work of art. Yes this is what puts this at truly the next level as if centenaries are not done just right the do just the opposite and draw the eye to something really wrong (scale, quality, etc) and ruin everything else that was done on the layout. the most beautiful layout with catenary that does not make this very high standard will just look awful in the views mind when they remember it... this guy really nailed it and the details to make the mind remember the real life centenaries, not the model ones. This is the real trick to pick up on the features that will make the viewer's mind actually register the real thing from their own memory rather than the one actually there! very delicate balance, but when done right you get the perfect memory! the lighting is wonderful in these videos. really shows what the correct lighting gets you and knowing how to light a scene like this for macro shots is an art form. I have watched some product photographers light small product stages and i was amazed at the level of fiddling they do to get it just right and you really can see the difference. My design partner had a set of desk products that were done for macys shot by the staff guy with macys and they came out not looking quite right, just could not put your finger on it, but when you looked a the picture and at the actual piece the picts just did not bring out the quality/design of the product. when reshot by a pro it was amazing to see the difference with just a few slight angle changes and lighting it properly. cheers, jeff Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 My only criticism about the catenary would be that the wire is a bit too shiny ;) It's actually also too thick scale-wise, but it's not very noticable. Link to comment
cteno4 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 wire and insulators are really tough to get to exact scale in n scale. insulators start to disappear (why i think his are a tad large and shiny white) and the wire is almost impossible to get to scale is its almost not visible at scale size from any distance and hard to work with... this guy seems to be really into making the shot work over perfect scale, i suspect he is trying to do items at just the right size to register right in the brain, not in actual scale or even color... two approaches, make it just trigger the right memories to fill in the picture or make it absolutely perfect to scale and color. cheers jeff Link to comment
serenityFan Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 So I was trying to read this page: http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/senrotosou.html which has the ballasting and track weathering info (which is usefull for the party project ) I can't understand the translation: 1. what is he saying on the ballast, something about 1:150 vs 1:87 scale ballast. which one did he end up using? 2. did he spray the whole track with airbrush/spray can? with the chopstick, is he scraping off the paint, or is he scraping of some sort of masking tape on the track (and while we're here, did he use any masking tape on the track?) The final result is something like on this page: http://ryouyu.sakura.ne.jp/mountain3.html .... :grin Link to comment
disturbman Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No translation but just by the look at it he is scrapping the paint of the top of the rail. That's quite wise, if not he will end up with "dead rails" and the trains will not be abble to run. If you want there is plenty of english tutorial about weathering and ballasting tracks on Internet, like this one: http://www.sp-coastline.com/2009/01/how-to-ballast-and-weather-n-scale.html Link to comment
Bernard Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Great video but it might be hard getting syringes for some people. I use an eye dropper for glue and alcohol. Link to comment
EWS60008 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Thats a nice layout there. I wish I build something like that but I just don't have the space for a layout that big . Still, I will be commencing work on mine over the next couple of months . Link to comment
Bernard Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Thats a nice layout there. I wish I build something like that but I just don't have the space for a layout that big . Still, I will be commencing work on mine over the next couple of months . EWS - When you do start your layout please start your own thread about the stages of development. Link to comment
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