Kim Jong Un train in Beijing

[chadbag]

 

Any pointers to info on what the locomotive is and about the train?  Pic of locomotive in the article.

 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/world/asia/kim-jong-un-train-beijing.html

[bill937ca]

It looks similar to a Songun Red Flag-class locomotive built in North Korea with key components from China.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songun_Red_Flag-class_locomotive

 

https://www.graphic.com.gh/international/international-news/north-korea-china-talks-trail-mystery-train-in-china.html

 

I'm comparing headlights.

Edited April 2, 2018 by bill937ca

[Kiha66]

Found it!  Double unit diesel, Chinese made.  DF11z model.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:China_Railways_DF11Z

[Kiha66]

A model is even available in HO scale!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Star-Model-China-Railway-DF11Z-Locomotives-Double-units-and-powered-/182985464583

 

[chadbag]

So the one in the NYT article and the other article posted by Bill show a bog standard Chinese train.   Maybe Fat Boy's train picks up a new locomotive when it crosses the border or something.

[Kiha66]

25 minutes ago, chadbag said:

So the one in the NYT article and the other article posted by Bill show a bog standard Chinese train.   Maybe Fat Boy's train picks up a new locomotive when it crosses the border or something.

 

While the DF11 is pretty common in china, it is a non-articulated locomotive.  I think the z model (the articulated version) might be solely for north Korea.

[chadbag]

5 minutes ago, Kiha66 said:

 

While the DF11 is pretty common in china, it is a non-articulated locomotive.  I think the z model (the articulated version) might be solely for north Korea.

 

All those China Railways DF11z images from wikimedia you posted are all in NK?  Signs look Chinese to me.  :) :)

 

The DF11z appears to be a Chinese made and Chinese run locomotive.  Doesn't say anything about NK in this article:  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fzh.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F东风11Z型柴油机车&edit-text=

 

:)

 

Edited April 2, 2018 by chadbag

[Kiha66]

Huh, seems the news lied to me!  I was going off an article that stated that DF11z002 was this new rulers locomotive, while his father was DF11z001.   I guess they just didn't know very much so they were working off what they had.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-train/secrecy-delays-surrounded-north-korea-leaders-slow-train-to-china-idUSKBN1H522C 

[railsquid]

48 minutes ago, chadbag said:

So the one in the NYT article and the other article posted by Bill show a bog standard Chinese train.   Maybe Fat Boy's train picks up a new locomotive when it crosses the border or something.

 

That would make sense, as I assume you'd need a driver who knows the route and a locomotive compatible with the signalling system.

[chadbag]

10 minutes ago, Kiha66 said:

Huh, seems the news lied to me!  I was going off an article that stated that DF11z002 was this new rulers locomotive, while his father was DF11z001.   I guess they just didn't know very much so they were working off what they had.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-train/secrecy-delays-surrounded-north-korea-leaders-slow-train-to-china-idUSKBN1H522C 

 

Fake News!!! :)

 

[kvp]

The previous north korean rulers in the past have even travelled to europe in that train. The bogies of the cars could be switched to wide gauge ones for travel on the soviet leg of the journey and back to standard gauge on the european border. The local railways provided the locomotives. This procedure is still standard for direct cars between Russia and various EU states.

[Socimi]

 

According to wikipedia

 

The DF11Z is a derivative of the prototype DF11G, wich are two DF11 without one cab and attached togheter.

 

The DF11Z was introduced in 2002, and there are 12 veichles (for a total of 6 locomotives) in service.

 

They are used for offical trains both in North Korea and China (althoug rarely, as most Chinese party members prefer to use the CRH High-Speed trains), so it's possible one (or two) were gifted to North Korea.

 

They're nicknamed "Great Z"  by Chinese railfans.

 

 

An original DF11, the prototype DF11G kept the same colors.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/China_railways_DF11_locomotive_at_Hangzhou_station_in_2009.jpg/1280px-China_railways_DF11_locomotive_at_Hangzhou_station_in_2009.jpg

 

 

The standard series DF11G were introduced in 2003, but while they are mechanically similar to the DF11, they have more modern-looking cabs.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/DF11G.jpg/1200px-DF11G.jpg