alpineaustralia Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have just purchased the the Kato EF81 Twilight Express, painted green and yellow (Kato 3021-7). Just like StevenH's avatar. Does anyone know if Kato also make the carriages for that train? If so, what is the Kato item number? I know Tomix make carriages for the Twilight Express Series 24 Twilight Express 7-Car Set (Tomix 92623) Series 24 Type 25 `Twilight Express` (5 Cars Add-on Set A) (Tomix 92241) Series 24 Type 25 `Twilight Express` (3 Cars Add-on Set B) (Tomix 92242) Type Sushi 24 (Twilight Express) (Tomix 8514) Surone 25-500 Twilight Express (Sleeping Car) (Tomix 2579) What is the difference between these Tomix sets? What is protypical? the 7 car set? 8 car set? other? Do Tomix carriages come with couplers other than rapido/Arnold couplers? Can the Tomix carriages be used with the Kato EF81? Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have just purchased the the Kato EF81 Twilight Express, painted green and yellow (Kato 3021-7). Just like StevenH's avatar. Does anyone know if Kato also make the carriages for that train? If so, what is the Kato item number? I know Tomix make carriages for the Twilight Express Series 24 Twilight Express 7-Car Set (Tomix 92623) Series 24 Type 25 `Twilight Express` (5 Cars Add-on Set A) (Tomix 92241) Series 24 Type 25 `Twilight Express` (3 Cars Add-on Set B) (Tomix 92242) Type Sushi 24 (Twilight Express) (Tomix 8514) Surone 25-500 Twilight Express (Sleeping Car) (Tomix 2579) What is the difference between these Tomix sets? What is protypical? the 7 car set? 8 car set? other? Do Tomix carriages come with couplers other than rapido/Arnold couplers? Can the Tomix carriages be used with the Kato EF81? The Tomix version was released as 3 sets, 92240, 92241, 92242, and an additional car with lit table lamps. The following is the complete train (according to the Tomix catalog): Locomotive: EF81, running numbers included are 43, 44, 48, and 105 (92240) Car 1: SURONEFU 25-500 compartment car (92241) Car 2: SURONE 25-500 compartment car (92242) Car 3: SUSI 24-0 dining car (92241 or 8514 for lit table lights) Car 4: OHA 25-550 saloon car (92241) Car 5: OHANE 25-520 compartment car (92241) Car 6: OHANE 25-520 compartment car (92242) Car 7: OHANE 25-510 compartment car (92242) Car 8: OHANE 25-560 sleeping car (92241) Car 9: OHANEFU 25-500 sleeping car (92240) Unnumbered car: KANI 24-0 luggage van (92240) So, you could combine the Kato loco with the Tomix cars, but you'd be missing car number 9 and the unnumbered luggage van, since both of those are included with the locomotive set. As for Kato making the cars, I would expect that if they release the loco, they also have the cars available. It makes no sense releasing the loco without the cars. Link to comment
disturbman Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I'm not sure, there is nothing about them on Kato's website. This loco is a Roundhouse production, not a normal one. I also looked around on Yahoo auctions and there is only Tomix stuff and one EF81 loc by kato if you search twilight Express (トワイライトエクスプレス). It might be possible that it's been a very long time that a run of Twilight Express's coaches was made. Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 It's been a while since the previous production run yes, but Tomix is doing another run with a release scheduled for October =) Link to comment
disturbman Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Sorry, I was not clear. I meant to say: "it's must be a while that Kato didn't produced any coaches for the Twilight Express". Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 I am still a little confused about the Series 24 Twilight Express 7-Car Set (Tomix 92623) Type Susi 24 (Twilight Express) (Tomix 8514) Surone 25-500 Twilight Express (Sleeping Car) (Tomix 2579) and how they fit in with 3 sets made by Tomix. Also do Tomix carriages come with couplers other than rapido/Arnold couplers? Can the Tomix carriages be used with the Kato EF81? Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Tomix 8514 is a dining car with lights installed in the table lamps, and it replaces the Susi24 that comes with 1 of the sets. Not sure what the 92623 set is, it might be an older release. Same goes for the 2579 sleeper car. In the 2008 Tomix catalog, the Twilight Express is listed with the numbers/cars I mentioned earlier, and those are also the ones that Tomix is re-releasing in October. All Tomix cars are with standard Rapido couplers, so they should work just fine with the Kato locomotive. Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 can you change them to knuckle couplers? Link to comment
Martijn Meerts Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I believe so, but Tomix knuckle couplers aren't compatible with Kato knuckle couplers. Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Has anyone installed lights in Series 24 Twilight Express 7-Car Set (Tomix 92623)? If so, what lights did you use? If you have this set, can you please scan and send my a copy of the instructions sheet that came with the set? Cheers Alpineaustralia Link to comment
jappomania Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi! about Twilight set a little schema of 10 cars original old release 92623 7 cars set 2578 ohane 25-520 (you need 2) 2579 surone 25-500 2134 EF81 loco (sold separately) new release 92240 start set (1 loco and 2 cars) 92241 set A (5 cars) 92241 set B (3 cars) 8514 SUSI 24-0 Dinning car whit illuminated lamps (to exchange whit the same car included in set A whitout lamps) it's strange, the single loco still appear on catalog.. boh...(maybe for double traction?) difference between sets, the last is a little bit painting improved, some decals are now factory applied/painted so you don't need more works (it's hard to merge old and new set because the cars you need are part in A and part in B set so it's much simple to buy the complete set) lights: you need (for full 10 cars set) 4 x 0755 or 0783 or 0733 OHANE 25-520 X 2, OHANE 25-510, SURONE 25-500 OHA25-550 6 x 0751 or 0781 or 0731 the rest... (075x normal set, 078x costant light, 073x costant light white led items code from last catalog, white led kit have new code) Kato has never reproduced Twilight cars, only the Loco (Roundhouse release) if you want I have the instruction paper but for the new set not for the old.... I hope this help you ciao Massimo Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 Could you please post the instruction paper but for the new set Link to comment
Kabutoni Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 It's not strange for TOMIX and KATO to release locomotives without matching coaches. For example, TOMIX has the "Rainbow" livery of some locomotives (huge matching logo on the side of EF81/ED75 etc.) but didn't produce the "Rainbow" coloured Joyful Train. Same as with the DE10 in 'retro' brown livery from TOMIX, that usually hauls older steel bodied cars, didn't had matching cars for a long time. Link to comment
jappomania Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Could you please post the instruction paper but for the new set Hi! this is the rapidshare link http://rapidshare.com/files/295930470/twilight-tomix.zip.html bitmap at 600dpi in greyscale su you can print/modify etc. like you prefer at the same quality like as original use free mode to download, is not so slow for 16Mb zip file size, I hope this help you ciao Massimo Link to comment
alpineaustralia Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 Many thanks Massimo Link to comment
bill937ca Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Twilight Express with DD51 double header http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQoPKlr_2oI Link to comment
inobu Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 That sure is quiet for 2 V12 diesels. Nihongo des Inobu Link to comment
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