Hibiya Line / Eidan 3000 window types

[Guest keio6000]

Hi,

 

can somebody explain to me the evolution / prevalence / history of the two different door window types on Eidan Hibiya line 3000 series trains?

Specifically, MicroAce A-6685 shows the "high/small window" type:

 

 

whilemicroace A-6684 shows the "large/normal" window size (though two intermediate cars have the small windows)

 

 

 

the hibiya line is except for the namboku line the last tokyo metro / eidan train line that i have yet to get a train of, and i want to decide which to get. the small window type seems more interesting and distinctive. 

 

i was unable to understand the difference by a bad google translte of the japanese wikipedia eidan 3000 page.

 

any insights appreciated

 

[ToniBabelony]

IIRC the high windows were introduced to prevent children from looking outside and getting into trouble at the doors: http://note.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/detail/n257589

[bikkuri bahn]

Apparently the smaller windows were a safety measure, to discourage small children from standing next to the doors to look out the windows.  Children tend to place their hands on the door windows, and when the doors open, their hands/arms get stuck in the pocket between the door and the carbody.  The differing window types are a result of retrofitting during periodic maintenance.

[Guest keio6000]

Thank you Tony and BB for the clarification!  Now where to find a cheap one (cheaper than yahoo auctions) ha ha.

 

BTW the Eidan 3000 was NOT the culprit in the "naka-meguro train disaster" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naka-Meguro_train_disaster

Edited July 21, 2015 by keio6000

[Guest keio6000]

Ok, I ordered the "high window" version as it's more distinctive.

 

My Tokyo subway rolling stock:

 

Eidan/Tokyo Metro:

• Kato Gina 01
• Kato Marunouchi 300/400
• Kato Marunouchi 02
• MA Tokyo Metro Chiyoda 6000
• Kato Eidan Chiyoda 6000
• Kato Tokyo Metro Chiyoda 16000
• MA Tokyo Metro Yurakucho 7000
• MA Hell-I'm-Calling-it-Hanzoumon Actually Tozai Eidan 8000
• Kato Fukutoshin 10000
• Microace Hibiya 3000 HIgh Window type coming soon
• MA Tozai 301

Eidan/Tokyo metro notes:

• would love an old Ginza line train. Tomytec made one, but head car only.
• bought the MA Fukutoshin 7000 from an ebay seller who for various reasons never shipped it :(
• am i correct that nobody has made a namboku train yet?  Still, the 9000 and most of that whole series are really forgettable.
• Had the chiyoda 06 once too  - sold it. 
• Hanzomoun 08 please!  Kato?

 

TOEI:

• Endou Shinjuku 10-000 (RARE++!)
• MA Shinjuku 10-300
• MA Shinjuku 10-000 will be pre-ordered
• MA Shinjuku 10-300R probably not unless at a giveaway price
• Ok it's not a Toei Asakusa train, but I have MA Keisei 3300 in the 'close enough' scheme. A sin to toni, I'm sure.
• Passed on the Oedo set in junk bins in tokyo.  Don't regret it.  See it sells for crazy money now, which is sad since it's a poor set and the train looks like a GMC gremlin in reverse.
• Mita?  Anybody ever take the Mita line?   In many years in Toyko I don't think I ever did.

[railsquid]

Eidan/Tokyo metro notes:

• would love an old Ginza line train. Tomytec made one, but head car only.

 

It probably doesn't help much, but the Greenmax store in Akihabara has a scratchbuilt one in a display case.

[bikkuri bahn]

Mita? Anybody ever take the Mita line? In many years in Toyko I don't think I ever did.

I have a few times to get to Jimbocho from the Shinagawa/Mita area. Also once many years ago (early eighties?) when it was all 6000 series.

[kvp]

Mita?

The Toei 6000 series looked good though...

 

would love an old Ginza line train. Tomytec made one, but head car only.

 

Me too, but the Tomytec version has different bogies (they were swapped to cape gauge ones) and pantographs on the roof. On the bright side, there is a possibility that there were cab/motor cars only like at many metro lines in those years. (on some of the old photos i see only cab motors in the whole consist)

[Guest keio6000]

I don't know about 'those years' but i remember being in japan when the 01 series came out.and that even at a young age i was sad to see some of the old 1xxx series (and eventually 2xxxx) trains go away...

[Guest keio6000]

It probably doesn't help much, but the Greenmax store in Akihabara has a scratchbuilt one in a display case.

 

greeenmax store in akihabara?  honestly for all the years i've been in akihabara i never noticed this.   i know MODELS IMON in akihabara usually has one or more of those built kits there.

[railsquid]

greeenmax store in akihabara?  honestly for all the years i've been in akihabara i never noticed this.   i know MODELS IMON in akihabara usually has one or more of those built kits there.

 

Yeah... took me a while to realise it's there. It's two floors above IMON (!).

[Guest keio6000]

a ha.. gotcha.

 

i just looked up the microace mita 6300 set.  maybe it's the photo, but it looks really sharp.

 

[ToniBabelony]

• would love an old Ginza line train. Tomytec made one, but head car only.

 

Your best bet would be a finished KitcheN kit, which is super rare and probably not cheap.

 

• am i correct that nobody has made a namboku train yet?  Still, the 9000 and most of that whole series are really forgettable.

 

MicroAce made a 9000 under number A8597: http://www.microace-arii.co.jp/release/pdf/A8497b.pdf

 

• Hanzomoun 08 please!  Kato?

 

Yes, seconded! I'm sure this will be a bestseller. It looks good. Damn good.

 

 

• Ok it's not a Toei Asakusa train, but I have MA Keisei 3300 in the 'close enough' scheme. A sin to toni, I'm sure.

 

3300 in 'close enough' scheme? Would that be the 'Aoden' or 'Akaden' livery? The 'Akaden' livery was only applied at the time of production (different front) and the 'Aoden' was only used on the 3000 for the few years it ran on 1372mm gauge, also with a different front. IIRC, The 3300 types also never ran on the Toei Asakusa line, and rarely touched the Keisei Oshiage line for that matter. The only 3300s that actively ran on the Toei Asakusa line and Keikyū network were the leased Hokusō 7250 types that were slightly rebuilt for this purpose and full 8-car sets. The 3200 was more prevalent (both in 6 and 8 car formations), whereas the powerful 3400 is the most prevalent non-stainless steel Keisei train on the Keikyū network until it gets phased out (and all Keisei commuter trains will be stainless steel bodied).

[Guest keio6000]

3300 in 'close enough' scheme? Would that be the 'Aoden' or 'Akaden' livery? The 'Akaden' livery was only applied at the time of production (different front) and the 'Aoden' was only used on the 3000 for the few years it ran on 1372mm gauge, also with a different front. IIRC, The 3300 types also never ran on the Toei Asakusa line, and rarely touched the Keisei Oshiage line for that matter. The only 3300s that actively ran on the Toei Asakusa line and Keikyū network were the leased Hokusō 7250 types that were slightly rebuilt for this purpose and full 8-car sets. The 3200 was more prevalent (both in 6 and 8 car formations), whereas the powerful 3400 is the most prevalent non-stainless steel Keisei train on the Keikyū network until it gets phased out (and all Keisei commuter trains will be stainless steel bodied).

 

Meant the "akaden"  - MA7679.. a wonderful looking train.  As I know nearly nothing about the Toei Asakusa trains (clearly), it looks close enough for me.  Can't see spending enough 20,000--30,000 to get the actual MA toei asakusa train for differences that arent apparently obvious to me (I mean, other than that it is emblazoned with "keisei").

Edited July 21, 2015 by keio6000

[ToniBabelony]

Meant the "akaden"  - MA7679.. a wonderful looking train.  As I know nearly nothing about the Toei Asakusa trains (clearly), it looks close enough for me.  Can't see spending enough 20,000--30,000 to get the actual MA toei asakusa train for differences that arent apparently obvious to me (I mean, other than that it is emblazoned with "keisei").

 

Same here. I completely focus on Keisei in the 1991~1993 era and the occasional Hokusō Kaihatsu train (no plain Hokusō), as a friend luckily already collects Keikyū and Toei (and almost spares no expense doing so). It's a very diverse theme to collect, which makes it not a cheap affair unfortunately... A good thing is that Keisei is not as crazy popular as other companies in the Kantō, so that softens the blow a bit.

[HantuBlauLOL]

I wondered why the eidan 3000 is very familiar to me.. Then I remembered this

 

[Guest keio6000]

[enodenlover]

HantuBlau, where did or does that train run? I've never seen one with a cab end like that before.

[railsquid]

Your best bet would be a finished KitcheN kit, which is super rare and probably not cheap.

 

This is the Ginza line train in the Akihabara Greenmax store I mentioned above; it is indeed a KitcheN kit.

 

[HantuBlauLOL]

HantuBlau, where did or does that train run? I've never seen one with a cab end like that before.

Indonesia. They were made by Nippon Sharyo and Hitachi, now scrapped (you can still see the remaining in large numbers tho). Also afaik one set is still in use for shunting

[SuRoNeFu 25-501]

Indonesia. They were made by Nippon Sharyo and Hitachi, now scrapped (you can still see the remaining in large numbers tho). Also afaik one set is still in use for shunting

One trainset is still used as switcher in Depok train depot alongside Toei 6000 series "Rakitan" (6217F), but strangely it was once used as a evacuation train (known by Japanese as "救援車", read "kyuuen-sha") when one former Tokyu 8500 series train (set 8608F) was forced to perform emergency stop due to pantograph damage at Pondok Cina station, back in the 2013. Well, it was (really) very strange...

 

Regarding the size of door window on Eidan 3000 series, the large ones were introduced on the 1st to 7th batch cars, while the smaller ones were applied to 8th and 9th batch cars (according to Japanese Wikipedia page for Eidan 3000 series). Perhaps the reason said by Mr. Bikkuri Bahn (which is the post #3 on this topic) was the ones that caused the change on the door window size...