Sascha Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hello ladies and gentleman. I have been browsing trough youtube, and I found this one. I think it looks pretty cool, and I was wondering if anybody knows the name, and if it is available in Ngauge. Link to comment
Matteo_IT Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hello, I remember this train in the Kato catalog, the name is FURICO, I will search for more infos. 1 Link to comment
miyakoji Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) It's a KIHA 281 on Super Hokuto service, which connects Sapporo and Hakodate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_281_series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokuto_%28train%29 Edited June 28, 2015 by miyakoji 1 Link to comment
Sascha Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Dang you guys are quick. I really love this forum. Thanks a bunch!!! 1 Link to comment
katoftw Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 One caught on fire in the Seikan Tunnel recently. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) One caught on fire in the Seikan Tunnel recently. That was a 789 series EMU (traction motor overheated). Diesel trainsets cannot run in the tunnel. Edited June 28, 2015 by bikkuri bahn Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 *damn, bikkuri was a tad earlier* That was the Super Ōzora No. 14 in 2011-05-27, which was a KIHA 283 Series and not a KIHA 281 Series. Link to comment
Sascha Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 That was a 789 series EMU (traction motor overheated). Diesel trainsets cannot run in the tunnel. Why not? Has it got to do with the smoke? Link to comment
Ronny Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 The Seikan Tunnel is 53,85 km long 1 Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Yes, as Ronny says the tunnel is long and the risk of fire is greater with diesel power. 1 Link to comment
Sascha Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 What would be the longest distance that a diesel could go trough a tunnel? 1 Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 What would be the longest distance that a diesel could go trough a tunnel? Until all fuel is gone. It's not a question of distance, but a question of safety. 1 Link to comment
miyakoji Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I understood Sascha's question to mean "what's the longest tunnel a DMU could traverse by Japanese standard practice or law?" I just had a look around, I haven't found anything. If no one answers I'll continue to look later. 1 Link to comment
Sacto1985 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Well, the JR Central portion of the Kisei Main Line north of Shingu has some long tunnels; they run both smaller two-car DMU's and the Wide View Nanki limited express with the multiple-car KiHa 85 DMU on this route. 1 Link to comment
JR 500系 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Super Hokuto Kiha281, tilting train. Model will be made by MicroAce: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/search?typ1_c=104&cat=&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=kiha281 Kinda hard to find for this model, but you might be interested in the other one, somewhat similar: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10037096 Series Kiha283 `Super Ozora` (Basic 6-Car Set) Add on: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10037097 Series Kiha283 `Super Ozora` (Add-On 4-Car Set) And I must mention the Kiha283 made by Kato has the favourite tilting mechanism, meaning the model train tilts on curves just like how the real train will. :) 1 Link to comment
JR 500系 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 *damn, bikkuri was a tad earlier* That was the Super Ōzora No. 14 in 2011-05-27, which was a KIHA 283 Series and not a KIHA 281 Series. Hang on, isn't the one that caught fire in the Seikan Tunnel a 783 train set? (http://www.jnsforum.com/community/topic/9908-more-bad-news-for-jr-hokkaido/) That should be a 783 series running a Super Hakucho service from Shin-Aomori to Hakodate, right? The Super Hokuto takes over from Hakodate to Sapporo if I recall correctly when I took that journey in 2012. Back then the Super Hokuto service was using a Kiha183 HET train... Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Hang on, isn't the one that caught fire in the Seikan Tunnel a 783 train set? (http://www.jnsforum.com/community/topic/9908-more-bad-news-for-jr-hokkaido/) That should be a 783 series running a Super Hakucho service from Shin-Aomori to Hakodate, right? The Super Hokuto takes over from Hakodate to Sapporo if I recall correctly when I took that journey in 2012. Back then the Super Hokuto service was using a Kiha183 HET train... I was aiming at this incident: Sorry for the confusion. 1 Link to comment
JR 500系 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 That explains, thanks Toni! What ever happened to that Kiha283? I thought diesels aren't allowed in the Seikan Tunnel? I always have the intention that only EMUs went through the Tunnel and only Super Hakucho services, and didn't relate Super Hakucho services with Kiha281/ 283/ 183s.... Link to comment
ToniBabelony Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 That explains, thanks Toni! What ever happened to that Kiha283? I thought diesels aren't allowed in the Seikan Tunnel? I always have the intention that only EMUs went through the Tunnel and only Super Hakucho services, and didn't relate Super Hakucho services with Kiha281/ 283/ 183s.... That was a KIHA 283 in Super Ōzora 14 service, which does not come near the Seikan Tunnel. The incident happened at Seifūzan signal-point in May the 27th 2011, where the train caught fire in a tunnel. Luckily no deaths and/or serious injuries. 39 people were hospitalised with breathing problems. Link to comment
bikkuri bahn Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I understood Sascha's question to mean "what's the longest tunnel a DMU could traverse by Japanese standard practice or law?" I can't find any law either, I think it is more of a favored practice- when the line through the long tunnel is electrified, only electric trains are permitted (though exception was made on the Hokuriku Line for the new third-sector railways). On non-electrified lines, of course this can't be done. Thus long tunnels with diesel-powered services in Hokkaido, for instance. Link to comment
kvp Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Imho as long as adequate ventillation is provided there couldn't be too many rules about this. For example some overnight trains had diesel generator cars that were running even at Tokyo station and still went through the Seikan. Usually the ability to disembark the train in the tunnel (front doors or a wide enough tunnel) is all that is needed. 1 Link to comment
Sascha Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 So I guess each companies decides what train is allowed in what tunnel. Link to comment
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