Arnold HN 2100 Duewag GT6 articulated tram

[bill937ca]

I just ordered this tram last night.  Its been around before and has several features that may be of interest.  It has eight wheel pickup, a flywheel, is DCC ready with 6 pin socket . It doesn`t say if this tram  has lights.The motor appears to be almost below windows in the blow up view. Would this stay the same with a decoder?  Word of mouth reports from the first time around was that it ran well, runs very well at slow speeds, but needed higher than average voltage to get started. 

 

Arnold is offering three versions of the GT6:

 

http://www.hornbyinternational.com/en/arnold/1940-duewag-tram-version-bochum-jagermeister.html

 

http://www.hornbyinternational.com/en/arnold/1939-duewag-tram-version-dusseldorf-persil.html

 

http://www.hornbyinternational.com/en/arnold/1938-duewag-tram-version-essen-yellow-blue.html

 

Its also available in Japan.   :icon_bounce:

 

http://europeangauge.com/?pid=33644180

 

The prototype first appeared in 1956 and some built under license are still running according to a fleet list in German Wikipedia.

 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duewag-Einheitswagen

 

This should be a good tram to test out on my Tomix Wide Tram track and perhaps Unitram.

 

 Here`s a European tram modeler`s video of the same tram on Wide Tram track on a very small layout.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7, 2013 by bill937ca

[ianlaw]

Looks great! I've often thought about making a small N-gauge tram layout (although I'd probably want to use japanese trams)... but Z-gauge is keeping me busy at the moment. :)

8 wheel pick-up is great. All my Z gauge rolling stock has this and never stalls like my old HO/HOe rollingstock with often only 4 or 6 wheel pick-up would.

[old999]

Do you know what the minimum turning radius is? I'm using Tomix track with 103 mm min rad.

 

-- Al

[bill937ca]

Do you know what the minimum turning radius is? I'm using Tomix track with 103 mm min rad.

 

-- Al

I'll find out when the tram arrives.

Edited February 8, 2013 by bill937ca

[Vato]

nice tram

[bill937ca]

Got my invoice today, my GT6 should be on its way soon.   :)

[IST]

Cool, please post pictures and videos about it, I am curious about your oppinion.

 

(I am very "angry" at Kato due to their small motors below the floor so you can see through some of their trams and when I see model trams from another company I always miss this feature.)

[bill937ca]

My Arnold HN2110 GT6 arrived today.  I may have time to photograph it and take a video tomorrow.  In the meantime here is the Hornby International video.

 

Edited December 31, 2013 by bill937ca

[bill937ca]

Here it is.  Its shorter than a Modemo Tokyu 300. At this point I still haven't run it so no video. . There are two power trucks and a center trailer truck which follows prototype practice. There is Cardan shaft between the motor and the flywheel. 

 

The motor mechanism is mostly below the window line, but not entirely so. I'm really happy with the advertising graphics.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by bill937ca

[IST]

Cool, thanks for the pics. The pantograph looks good and detailed on your pictures.

Does it have a driver cabin, or just empty space?

[bill937ca]

Does it have a driver cabin, or just empty space?

 

I think its just an empty space.  It doesn't look like there is an interior.  The light isn't too good today--it was snowing much of the day. We'll see if I can get a better photo tomorrow.

[bill937ca]

 

 

I found another photo I took last night with artificial light.  It looks like ends are empty.

 

My camera isn't the greatest for N scale detail shots.  

Edited July 17, 2018 by bill937ca

[cteno4]

Bills got new toys! nice lookers. like the advertising, really pops nicely.

 

how do they run?

 

jeff

[bill937ca]

Well its several years later and I now have a great layout for running my trams.  Time to take another look at these Arnold Duewag GT6 trams. The Duewag GT6 first appeared in the late 1950s and this body style was common until the later 1980s. Some later versions of the GT8 can still be found in Eastern Europe today. These trams have a diecast metal chassi and are heavy to the feel.  The starting power draw is a relatively high 7v and these cars are real power hog requiring a nearly full throttle for steady running. No wonder I had trouble getting it to run smoothly when it first arrived. By comparison Tomytec drives requires 3v to start and reach full speed at 7v.   I get good performance from the Arnolds  with a Kato power pack in the red zone..  A Tomix power pack probably does not have enough juice. Unlike Tomytec,  Arnold trams need lubricating every 6 months. There also is a metallic pantograph which was hard to unsecure. I got loose on one side and then the other. But for all its faults, the detailing in the paint job is fantastic. This would be great for a larger scale let alone N scale.

 

The green tram is a Arnold HN2172 Duewag GT6 Vestische Green tram.

The cream tram is a Arnold HN2110 Duewag GT6 Bochum Jagermeister advertising livery.

 

The source for the starting voltage is this web page:  https://modelclub-draveil.eu/en/comparison-of-n-scale-tramway-performance (Note a couple of the photos are switched).

Edited July 18, 2018 by bill937ca

[AllScales]

Beautiful photo’s! The superfine detail makes my eyes hurt (literally), unless I use special measures.

 

what did you use to take the super detailed shots?

 

I haven’t yet tried mine on 140mm curves nor 103mm, but I do notice mine gets quite a bit louder when going round the Kato 150mm curves.

 

i’m waiting for my Tomytec stone paving track to arrive... 😞

[bill937ca]

2 hours ago, AllScales said:

Beautiful photo’s! The superfine detail makes my eyes hurt (literally), unless I use special measures.

 

what did you use to take the super detailed shots?

 

😞

 

Thank  you.  😃 I used my Canon SX170IS and then manually cropped the detail with Irfanview.

[bill937ca]

3 hours ago, AllScales said:

I haven’t yet tried mine on 140mm curves nor 103mm, but I do notice mine gets quite a bit louder when going round the Kato 150mm curves.

 

I lubricated mine before I ran it. You generally do not have to do this with Japanese model trains, but lubricating every 6 months is recommended by the Arnold instruction sheet. and I suspect necessary for smooth running. At one point I thought these two were lost causes but I am so happy I have them running fine. 

[bill937ca]

For those looking for an Arnold tram, Michas Bahnhof (D)a Berlin train dealer is selling the Arnold HN2173 Gotha tram on eBay.  The listing says more than 10 available and  the price is below a reported street price of 110-120 Euros. Currently the listing price is 99.99 Euro.

 

These trams are power hogs and don't start running until 7 volts plus. It needs to be lubricated every 6 months. I run them with a Kato controller.

 

Ebay listing:

 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Duewag-Gt6-Strasenbahn-Gotha-DSS-EpV-ARNOLD-HN2173-N-1-160-HR5/202390144576?epid=2254410252&hash=item2f1f648640:g:1LMAAOSwAKxWYeZM

 

German language review:

http://www.modelltram.de/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3956

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by bill937ca

[AllScales]

Seen that one, but I’m looking for a more cream/green colour scheme...