EF65 1100 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hello, I refer to Tomix 98942 which was released in May. http://www.1999.co.jp/10304585 I have been interested in this product for some time and it seem to be widely available. However, I note that it includes one silver a/c on car 1 and all others are matt grey. Can anyone explain this? The car in question, Kumoha 115-318, had its cooler replaced, hence the different look. It is a AU75G model: http://kakeyama.fan.coocan.jp/parts/cooler/cooler2.htm Link to comment
E6系 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hello Mr EF65-1100, I note that 115-318 has AU75G cooler, but in real it appears to be made of the same material as other coolers. 115-318 is the nearest car. In real, it appears the same as other cars. So, why has Tomix made it look so different? Link to comment
EF65 1100 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hello Mr EF65-1100, I note that 115-318 has AU75G cooler, but in real it appears to be made of the same material as other coolers. 115-318 is the nearest car. In real, it appears the same as other cars. So, why has Tomix made it look so different? I honestly don't really know. Unless Tomix is modelling just a certain time period. I did find a picture that makes the AU75G unit look a little more shiny: http://file.jnr.blog.shinobi.jp/1000355.jpg Not a high resolution picture but I think this colour is where Tomix based its model on. Link to comment
miyakoji Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Doesn't Kato release models that are a bit prototypically incorrect as the Roundhouse line? Does Tomix ever do this? Link to comment
kvp Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Does Tomix ever do this? Mostly in the Tomytec range and usually labeled for the fictious Tomii dentetsu or blank for modding. On the other hand, the cooler seemed to be a temporary fix applied as a replacement until the set was retired and the reason could be that there were no working spare units from the original type. In this case painting is usually done at the next general service/repaint of the whole set, but if they wanted to salvage the new unit after the set was scrapped, then they might have choosen not to paint it at all. All i could gather is that the set was retired in 2014 and it ran with the new cooler for a relatively short time. Also there is a possibility that the car in question was only used to test the new cooler unit. (it happens with soon to be retired sets to be used as testbeds, since there is no need to restore them afterwards) Link to comment
Ochanomizu Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Ha! Hello again, Yes, I have the answer. The model is period set at the time of replacement of the cooler. Thus it is shiny, before the metal has time to oxidize, and the other coolers are grey because they have lost their shine. Very interesting, but not clearly described by Tomix. The question now is whether I want such a consist? 3 Link to comment
1954G Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Hello, I have some questions about the upcoming powered Tomix Cassiopeia generator car. http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10163995 The HobbySearch description mentions "equipped with variable speed equipment to match the speed of the locomotive." So there is a mechanism to adjust the speed of the generator car to the EF81 or EF510-500 hauling the Cassiopeia consist? If true, that is a neat feature that I haven't seen before anywhere. 1 Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) varible resistor. Edited July 5, 2015 by katoftw 1 Link to comment
miyakoji Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Are there other sets that have powered cars (where the prototype would not be powered) to assist the locomotive? Link to comment
1954G Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I did a little more searching. Tomix made a Blue Train version, # 8540, which looks mechanically identical to the Cassiopeia version. This person did an in-depth review of it. http://rtmrw.parallel.jp/laboratory/lab-report-29/lab-29.html And thanks to Katoftw for posting the variable resistor. Now this generator car isn't so mysterious. :) 1 Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I think it is quite a smart idea. Dunno if 2 motor units is really needed to pull 12 cars. But it is something Tomix does. Link to comment
westfalen Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think the real thing only provides power for the train's lighting and aircon, or HEP as the Americans call it, not tractive power to move the train. I can't think why you would need such a thing in N scale either, I have never had any problems with locos pulling my full Kato Cassiopia train, with the light weight of Japanese N scale cars and traction tyres on all locos it seems an unnecessary expense and complication. Maybe the Tomix cars roll like bricks. Link to comment
kvp Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Tomix cars actually roll very nicely, especially the newer ones with all metal axleboxes, axle tip pickups and real spring secondary suspensions. The problem is usually high grades, when you are trying to pull up a 12 or 16 car consist on a 4 or 8% grade. Then having multiple locomotives could help. On the other hand, Tomix boxcab electric locos are strong and heavy enough to pull 16 cars alone and the cassiopeia diesels should be used in pairs. My problem with the powered car is that when you switch locos midway, you have to modify the speed setting and this means you have to lift the car up, which makes switching locos by shunting impossible. On the other hand, having multiple power units for longer emu-s can be nice, since it's easier to make a power car with 100% underfloor drive if the motor is smaller. For consists with separable sub sets, having multiple motors is good if you decide to run them disconnected. (like some of the 103 series sets) Usually there is a choice of powered or dummy extension sets though, so everyone can choose what they like. Link to comment
westfalen Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 8%, that's 1 in 12.5. Usui Pass wasn't that steep. :wacko: Link to comment
kvp Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 8%, that's 1 in 12.5. Usui Pass wasn't that steep. :wacko: The problem is horizontal compression. You can selectively compress a 10 km long section into 6 meters instead of 66, but you can't compress the vertical clearence needed to cross one track above another. This is how many layouts end up with very steep grades. (8% is actually more like Hakone Tozan than the Usui) Personally i woud choose to get the unpowered generator car and run with locomotive traction only. Link to comment
Densha Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Check out these new Tomytec releases: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/blog/1507093The ED14 and particularly Akita Chuo Kotsu DeWa 3000 + SuHaFu 20 stand out. I just need one of those DeWa 3000s! Here more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/ngauge.information/20150708TOMYTECVol2?authkey=Gv1sRgCK292Y6Jw7-SaQ 2 Link to comment
Kabutoni Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Wow. Those are some pretty radical announcements from Tomytec. They are now entering the realm of World Kogei and other more obscure manufacturers. I welcome the development of smaller power units! Link to comment
kvp Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 This is exactly the same power unit that was used as power bogie in the 20th train collection open deck cars and the small sticker toy trains. Only the base frame around the power bogie is different. (the 20 meter car had a normal frame where the bogie could rotate, the sticker unit had a rectangular fixed frame and now we have a weighted train collection frame with standard coupler mounts. I think i'm going to buy quite a bit of these small freight trams and the power units. Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) I like the footbridges. I knew they where coming, but didn't realize the could connect with the modern station buildings. Interesting to note, then footbridge has a elevator, but the station building does not. haha The SL Yamaguchi has tickled my fancy moreso. C57 w/ red rods + brown Series 12 coaches. Hmmm? Edited July 9, 2015 by katoftw Link to comment
cteno4 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Wonder about those high rise buildings pictured with the walkways! Jeff Link to comment
railsquid Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oooh, I need to leave some space for that footbridge on my layout. 1 Link to comment
JR 500系 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Finally! A nice multi point overhead bridge that we see oh-so-often in Japan, and it's a nice touch it connects to the entrance of the existing Tomix Overhead station! That is a must get ~ The large bridge is like an extension of the existing foot bridge, but it really doesn't look that big... What happened to the Shell station is a mystery... The Shell tankers are ready for pre-order but the station is not... A Kiha-261? Interesting... Only Kato used to have this .. Also waiting for the high rise buildings. That would be interesting ~ Link to comment
katoftw Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Totally forgot about the Shell Station. All they have to do is use the yellow Kygnus petrol station and change the decals. Maybe that is why it isn't up for pre-order so early. It is just a simple release. Link to comment
Densha Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 More pics of overpass: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/blog/150710 The high rise buildings are still in development phase. 2 Link to comment
Sascha Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I need the blue footbridge.Why are some pictures of the trains blurry? Link to comment
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